Japan can do whatever they want, why? Because they’re America’s lap dog.
North Korea have no right to do anything, standing up to America is enough of a crime.
I think they will kool down once north korea fires nuke loaded missile right over japan—to detonate in the pacific ocean. That would really bring them to their senses, if not soil their pants.
Japan can do whatever they want, why? Because they’re America’s lap dog.
North Korea have no right to do anything, standing up to America is enough of a crime.
I think they will kool down once north korea fires nuke loaded missile right over japan—to detonate in the pacific ocean. That would really bring them to their senses, if not soil their pants.
So why is Pakistan stupid enough to buy from them? Go buy J-10s from China instead if you feel like you’re getting ripped off.
Pakistan is buying j-10s from China — that is why the original order for 75 new f-16s has been cut back to mere 18. Pakistan got committed to f-16s when they had no inkling j-10 could be offerred. Hopefully Pakistan doesnot pay up front this time and once Bush leaves office–America itself will bar the f-16s—thus saving Pakistan having to say “No Thanks”.Pakistan has problem saying “No” to America and F-16 ( long emotional attachment to F16 goes back years).
I thought it was 72 virgins? Inflation is taking its toll…
good one ! 😀
I thought it was 72 virgins? Inflation is taking its toll…
good one ! 😀
The F-16 Block 52 is actually a very capable aircraft, and to dismiss them as ‘garbage’ is ridiculous, and more than a little offensive. Yes, the aircraft design is now quite old, but it has been constantly updated – the exterior does not need to change much, yet it is a very different bird to when it first entered service.
As for not delivering the original F-16s with nuclear weapons capability, why on Earth would the US want to deliver them with such a capability? Pakistan developed nuclear weapons, despite the non-proliferation treaty (I say this not to point fingers, but simply to make the observation), under which the US was required not to help Pakistan! Following the nuclear tests, the US (among others) imposed an arms sales ban on both India and Pakistan, not just one.
As for Pakistan’s activities on the border, the concern is that elements within the Pakistani establishment, particularly the ISI who helped set up the Taliban in Afghanistan, are actually still helping them. Pakistan has a large number of troops who could be deployed to the border, at the very least to minimise cross-border activity (watching for groups going across the border repeatedly etc…).
As for the J-11, it is the designation for the Su-27 in PLAAF service. The reported designation of their next generation fighter is generally reported as J-12, though it is often difficult to pin down.
The F-16 Block 52 is actually a very capable aircraft – yes if it is in the American Arsenal—-what pakistan will get is rubbish ( it will not be the product mentioned on the label as they say ). no sooner Bush leaves White House either pakistan will not even get the rubbish and even if it does due to the sanctions–what pakistan will have –will become rubbish due to lack of spares—if they were ever good in the first place ! etc. Sanctions are coming pakistan’s way— Bush out–Sanctions In —-its not even a conjecture.
Giving pakistan f-16 was not helping pakistan’s nuclear program in any way, nor more than selling c130 which can be used to drop nukes as well. It was more of matter of usa being petty and mean—-like giving a starving person food only after spitting in it.
Pakistan has around 80,000 troops on the Afghan border doing America’s bidding. America has around 130,000 in iraq and has not managed to do what it is asking an impovrished Pakistan to do.
Come on!! Everybody need to take their first step in walking! Good to see India at least making progress on the project rather than stalling it. In near future,fully indigenous MCA produced by India will be a reality… 🙂
Btw,how much will each Rafales costs? I believe it may prove too expensive for India to buy in bulk!
Yes it is good to see India making progress.
Ah yes Abu Ghraib. My god they put bags over people’s heads and took PICTURES. Can’t get more gruesome than that can you? :rolleyes: Surely it’s the worst torture mankind has come up with yet. To call what amounts to not a hell of a lot more than frat initiation BS “torture” is to demean all those who have actually BEEN tortured.
You have to stop watching Fox news. You sound like Sean hannity and Bill O Reilly.
This thread and forum is not about American and their torturing ways but let me point you to certian other events alot along before 911 which might point you to the fact that americans have tortured and tortured as state policy as well :
American civil war — burning down of entire city of Atlanta and mass rape and killing of civilians. No to mention carnage by sherman in other southern cities just to dispirit the men away from home fighting under the leadership of Lee.
Vietnam and Cambodia —- google and you’ll find tons of stuff.
Latin America–Chile in particular. Look it up.
Ah yes Abu Ghraib. My god they put bags over people’s heads and took PICTURES. Can’t get more gruesome than that can you? :rolleyes: Surely it’s the worst torture mankind has come up with yet. To call what amounts to not a hell of a lot more than frat initiation BS “torture” is to demean all those who have actually BEEN tortured.
You have to stop watching Fox news. You sound like Sean hannity and Bill O Reilly.
This thread and forum is not about American and their torturing ways but let me point you to certian other events alot along before 911 which might point you to the fact that americans have tortured and tortured as state policy as well :
American civil war — burning down of entire city of Atlanta and mass rape and killing of civilians. No to mention carnage by sherman in other southern cities just to dispirit the men away from home fighting under the leadership of Lee.
Vietnam and Cambodia —- google and you’ll find tons of stuff.
Latin America–Chile in particular. Look it up.
I dont understand why the super secret chinese J-10 be then superseded in model number by the J-11’s
why has that happened?
and American Trechary? give it a break! who has been the traitor? how many helos did the PA get to fight terror in the eastern front? how many missiles and bombs? and how many taliban are back in afghanistan fighting the NATO forces?
In the eastern front, Fighting the Al Qaida Pakistan has lost 10 soldiers to one American that has been killed even counting back to 911 , so far about 75 americans have died fighting Alqaida in Afghanistan to around 750-900 Pakistani ones killed. Fortnight ago truck load ( head on smash )of Pakistani soldiers died when Alqaida guy rammed explosive laden jeep into them. Pakistan has always done America’s bidding but has never been appreciated for it… ever!
In the early 1960s Pakistan gave a secretive airbase to Americans for the U2 spy flights over USSR – one of the planes was shot down over USSR and it was Pakistan and not USA who got the death threats from Kruschov —-Americans repaid pakistan’s loyality but putting a complete arms embargo on Pakistan in its War against India in 1965. Then again in the 1971 war and then again in 1990….. calling such behaviour Treachery is to say the least being polite.
As far as Taliban coming back to fight NATO etc— border has two sides -why doesn’t America and its Army which is about 100X mora capable one than the pakistanis one, patrol the other side i.e. afghan side of the border and ensure no taliban ever manages to get in. Before levelling charges on Pakistan consider the position in Iraq ( country 1/7 size of pakistan population wise ) has America been able to stop infiltration across the borders or control the insurgency there.
PS. there is no plane available from china with the j-11 designation – though they have plans to produce something that can face raptor/jsf which they might designate j-11 ( plans on the drawing board donot equate the fact that usa is flying planes already a class above j-10s,f-16s and sukhois or any j-11 china miight or never be able to produce ) . J-10 is fourth generation like the sukhois- both of whom are a bit above the F-16. Licensed Sukhoi produced by china in their internal designation are called j-11. That doesnot mean they are superior to j-10, its just a numbering —a true j-11 would be china indeginous version and enhancement on j-10 technology — ie like raptor is enhancement and step above f16
Humm, Iran and the USA have then at least one point in common !
good one
Humm, Iran and the USA have then at least one point in common !
good one
What does this got to do with Military Aviation?
i suppose if NK and America go to war milatary aviation will be involved. 🙂
What does this got to do with Military Aviation?
i suppose if NK and America go to war milatary aviation will be involved. 🙂
Looks like we have another incarnation of “ih8bush” :rolleyes:
you need glasses in the whole quote i never once mentioned Bush or reffered to him. To like him or hate him is entirely a matter for the Americans themselves.