Indonesian Hawk 209 in blue camo:
with the exception of Hungary, Romania is a latin island in a sea Slavic countries.. the most hostile of which is Bulgaria.
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Bulgaria the most hostile to Romania? You have no idea what you’re talking about, better shut up.
Same goes for the MiG-35 crowd here. It’s been explained that there is absolutely no chance to purchese Rusian hardware for a myriad of reasons, but no, they have to bring it up nevertheless.
Errr..nope, they are older than that.
The cream of the fleet, 19 out of 20 Lancer C still existing are former MiG-21 MF-75 delivered in November 1975.
Most of the Lancer B trainers are ex MiG-21 UM built in 1976 and 1980.
The Lancer A are a mixed bunch, modified from a few MiG-21 M built in 1969-70, a few MiG-21 MF-75 from 1975, with the bulk of them being former MiG-21 MF delivered in 1972, 73 and 74.
Prior Lancey, I was bashing the general media – case in point the ones who wrote the article linked by Andrei, which got wind of the Mica VL purchase and add up by themselfs, out of the blue, the air to air Mica.
I certainly was not targeting the military press, Cer Senin which is the official magazine of the Air Force, nor you or anybody else in this thread. Please don’t put words in my mouth.
Very vew mig 23 and delivered late. Not bvr weapons. No proper sams. and then comes the fall of communism.
Andrei, the MiG-23 MF Romania bought had R-23R and R-23T, while the MiG-29s had R-27R. So we did have BVR capability until these fighters were retired.
mack8, no idea how many Pytyhon 3 were acquired.
According to SIPRI we got 100 Magic II, delivered in two batches of 50 over two years starting from (or ending in, can’t remember right now) in 2003
Most of the “western” weapons used on the Lancer now were already integrated on the F-16: Python III, Mk82, 83, Rafael Litening LDP, Elta EL-8222 ECM pod, Griffin LGB, Opher IR bomb. Magic I was integrated on F-16 back in the early 80’s, Magic II AFAIK not, but shouldn’t be a big problem – provided missile shelf life is worth it.
Kramer, no idea about the hours of the Lancer fleet, but the problem is the total lifetime resource in years, not the one in flight hours.
The cream of the fleet, 19 out of 20 Lancer C still existing are former MiG-21 MF-75 delivered in November 1975.
Most of the Lancer B trainers are ex MiG-21 UM built in 1976 and 1980.
The Lancer A are a mixed bunch, modified from a few MiG-21 M built in 1969-70, a few MiG-21 MF-75 from 1975, with the bulk of them being former MiG-21 MF delivered in 1972, 73 and 74.
And it’s not the Romanian Air Force which wanted Typhoons, it’s some of the pilots, which got rides in them. Big difference. I too would like a brand new WV Scirocco, but family budget can only afford a 1992 Opel 😉
and by the way romania bought both the mica sam vl variant and the aa variant
BS, don’t believe the stupid press which knows nothing about military matters. There is no, I repeat, absolutely no air to air Mica acquisition and the MIca VL is blocked for the time being.
last time russians planes flew over Romania on their way to Kosovo (in 1999) to drop paratroopers, the Romanian air force got jammed pretty bad by Russian ECM planes. But at that time we ere not in Nato …
Source?
They filed overflight requests for every single transport Il-76 that went there, like any other aircraft entering the airspace.
There was only one minor problem, the second Il-76 arrived earlier than planned and was escorted all the way trough our airspace. First by a MiG-29 from the 57th Group at Mihail Kogalniceanu, than by two MiG-21 fro the 91st at Deveselu. And there was no paratrooper drop in Kosovo, they landed at Pristina.
mack8, the Lancer C use both the Magic II and Python III. It may not make sense to use two very similar missiles, but this is Romania.
a few pictures to convince you:
http://lcaerodesign.com/index.php/photo-galery/category/1-mig-21?start=100
andrei, the Mica in the article you linked reffers to Mica VL, the SAM version. Purchasing it together with Mistral was an almost done deal last year (needed to replace the old 57 mm guns protecting the airbases) but the deal was dropped after a corruption scandal (the system was around 320 mil. euros, but Romania was supposed to pay 400, the diference of 80 milion Euros going into the pockets of some middlemen – and surely higher up the political-business chain).
Far less than 80 Lancers are in service, they will be dropped from service as soon as the F-16s will be made operational.
Griffon39, there will be no SPYDER acquisition, Mica VL and Mistral were selected, but not purchased due to reasons mentioned above. The Lancers will go nowhere but to the scrapheap, they were supposed to be reitred in 2011-12, and some are going now trough a (last) overhaul and modest life extension program to enable them to drag on until 2013, when the F-16s should be operational.
StAndrea, there is no internal security problems that would require airpower or armed intervention from the military, and no prospects of any. The only likely external enemy is Ukraine and the puppet regime in Transnistria
Those “venezuelan” K-8 are PS’d from Sri Lankan ones – see the composite image attached.
Here are the genuine K-8s from Venezuela:
http://favclub.powweb.com/blog/2010/03/13/exclusivo-para-fav-club-fotos-aire-aire-del-k8w/
All Su-24s I’ve seen so far carrying the Kh-58 have 2 on the wing glove pylons and the targeting pod on the centerline, with no drop tanks.
Apparently not, or at least not yet. An IFR probe has been trialed on serial 583, and it’s quite a visible fixed probe on top of the right intake.
Looks good – is this an upgraded ex-Aussie IIIO (500-series aircraft) or an upgraded IIIEP?
The serial is obviously 906, that makes it an ex Lebanese Mirage III EL
The serial production Su-35 BM will lack the long pitot tube on the nose.
The helicopters handle extremely well, offer good cargo capacity, and are considered to be a safe design under a wide variety of conditions, including the ability to land on water.
Well, thats gone after conversion if it will look like the one’s shown on the pictures in the article.
Ability to land on water is useless in Afghanistan.
Given the types of missions intended for this bird, it wouldn’t need to land on water anyway, even if it will be operating in coastal areas somewhere else.
I think the bulgarian way, multirole single engine, Gripens or F-16 will fit the bill and preformance best, maybe upgrade those SU-27 also.
The Bulgarian way is a mix of MiG-21, MiG-29 and Su-25, with no perspectives to change any time soon 😉
I don’t see any reason or chance of trading or exchanging airframes with Russia – there’s nothing the Ukrainians have that Russia doesn’t have too in sufficient numbers
Mig-29B/UB/Fulcrum C (6 +16 +6) acquired by Washington in Moldova and Germany.
No Fulcrum was acquired from Germany, while the Moldovan ones were 14 Fulcrum C, 6 Fulcrum A and one UB.
If what is written in the article has a grain of truth, these Mirages will be bought by the US on behalf of Afghanistan or Iraq. They have far more capable F-15 and F-16 which act as agressors, no need for tired F-1s.