It would seem Vintage Wings of Canada have taken notice.
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The MOD does not have a JPAC. Nearest equivalent is the JCCC, but they do not have field-operatives in the same way. Given what we know, one would assume these are the Polish oil exploration guys who first revealed the P40 to the world. Whilst they could be operatives working for the British Embassy, I’d suggest their identity is not particularly relevant, overall, to the story of the P40.
Thanks for the good intel. No you’re correct, the identities of the gentlmen have no bearing on the the larger more important story here. I just found it curious for the selective concealment and the fact they all appear to be wearing Mil-Spec desert boots. My first thought was that these were UK representatives of some sort. It could be coincidence as anyone can buy these, but it would seem these guys all shop at the same place 🙂 (Mine were issued to me). Just wishful thinking on my part that somewhere this is a high priority on someone’s desk.
Based on all the media provided and accounting for the number of different individuals seen and varying angles of daylight, it seem conceivible to me, that the wreck has been visited at least 3 times and maybe as much as 5 times.
Perhaps Shepair will be able to enlighten us all at some point as he seems to have a dialog with Mr Jakub Perka. From my point of view as a veteran I hope in the overall “Big-Picture”, the machine doesn’t garner more attention and more importance than the location of the mortal remains of it’s last occupant. Which I don’t see as the case here from you fine folks. You all seem very concerned with trying to ascertain the identity of it’s pilot and I applaud that.
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Any theories as to who the white face guys are? No attempt, it appears is being made to conceal the ID of the accompanying locals. In one of the last pics it looks as if a logo or some such indentifyer on the gentleman’s shirt is being “Whited out”.
Forgive my ignorance, what is the UK’s equivlant to JPAC? Could this be them?
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Rigged it up as a sun screen/tent, maybe….
Exactly. I think the pilot’s chute served him well into the passing days after the crash. As shelter from the harsh sunlight and as bedding and blanket throughout the cold nights. It wouldn’t surprise me in this theatre that squadrons would have carried out some survival training for circumstances like this.
In this enviroment I believe the popular consensus is that life expectancey would be exceptional beyond 72 hrs. Probalby closer to 48 hrs I would guess. There are several true life stories of the first 24 hrs with out water being almost fatal. It would be better for him to move at night and stay layed up during the day out of the sun.
I really wish more information was made public so that personnel could formulate a likely search plan as to the direction the pilot may have taken off in. But i understand the reasoning. It is in all likelyhood that his remains could be well within miles of the crash site. The condition of the crash site after 70 years suggests that shifting sands are not great and that the pilot’s remain might still be exposed and visible.
To any extent i think it’s obivious to everyone that the pilot realized at some point what kind of trouble he was in. I hope he is recovered and layed to rest. He has spent enough time in the desert alone.
Shay
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It was a ferrying flight. WIX has/had some good pictures of the actual flight in one of its threads. The B-47 was flown dirty (Landing gear down) just in case they would have been unable to lower the gear on approach. My understanding was that they had a retired B-47 pilot all ready to fly it when the USAF stepped in and a former B-47 pilot, now at that time a General took over the flight. I could be wrong about the specifics but I think that the jist of it.
This was the last B-47 on active duty serial 53-2280. It was used as testbed at WPAFB 1967-69 as JB-47E-111-BW. First USAF aircraft to have a fly-by-wire control system. Now on display at WPAFB Museum, OH. Well sort of on display. It was retired in the later half of 1969.

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awfully odd that the site goes down on the 1 year anniversary of the all-time highest number of logged on members. Which was supposed to be duplicated if not beaten on the 10th. The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if this shut down was engineered? 😮 😀
Shay
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Not all F-14Ds were remanufactured As, I forget but out of the 55 F-14Ds made either 37 were new build or 18 were new build and the balance were remanufactured F-14D(R)s.
I stand corrected. Wikipedia is great.
Anyways, I hope everything works out. Sounds like it’s gonna be close, but achievable. I’ve always had a soft spot in my heart for the F-14, because my Uncle was a Tomcat driver. He was the Commanding Officer of the VF-111 Sundowners on their first cruise with the Tomcats. I would hate to see 159600 be discarded after years of solid service. Especially when there are several museums that would love to add a F-14 to their collections.
YouTube.com is a great place and they even have some Tomcat stuff that I found :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbyNc3GxMN4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCNaugXjZMM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juJ1uYpAW5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5V7gOIVVvI
Maybe one day the Collings Foundation will be able to swing getting a Tomcat back into the air. Well a guy can always hope.
Shay
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All “D” models originated from “A” models.
From Joe Baugher’s Lists:
Grumman F-14A-85-GR Tomcat
-159592 (DR-10) converted to F-14D(R). SOC May 29, 2003
-159595 (DR-12) converted to F-14D(R).
–159600 (DR-5) converted to F-14D(R).
-159603 (DR-14) converted to F-14D(R). SOC Jun 3, 2003
-159613 (DR-4) converted to F-14D(R).
Papa Lima
Those Tomcats that were with the VF-31 at the time of their retirement have either gone to their perspective museums or to DMAFB to await their ultimate fate. 159600, it has been decided that if she is not picked up by a museum that she is to be destructed at NAS Oceana.
Shay
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Also
Here is a posting sent out from the Presdient of the OV-10 Bronco Assoc. this morning. Thought it would be of interest, and catch you all up on the latest. BTW, she is already taken apart and ready for packaging and pick-up at Oceana. The journey to Ft. Worth will be a “planes, trains, and automobiles” type adventure, from the sounds of it thus far. The important thing right now is securing her.
Posted to the OV-10 List – Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:22 am
Folks,
Your support and the support of others is getting us closer to bringing “Christine” home to Fort Worth.
This last week we have had significant activity in our efforts and I just wanted to give you a quick update.
First of all, we have met with some retired Navy Admirals and Captains who had involvement either with the F-14s here in the Metroplex over the years or VF-201, one of “Christine’s” former squadrons. They are all in support of our efforts to save this Tomcat and are lending a hand.
Last week we announced our efforts over the AvWeb and have received over 20 donations to help retrieve “Christine.” In addition, the B-36 Peacemaker Museum here in Fort Worth has made a substantial pledge. This group has worked with us in many capacities over the last several years. In recent months we have been meeting with that group, the Vintage Flying Museum and the City of Fort Worth to discuss the concept of a regional museum, that could be located at Meacham Field, to tell the history of aviation and aerospace in North Texas. One of the aspects of that museum would be a display of static airplanes significant to the area as either having been flown, built or designed here. Our Tomcat fits that description, as she was here as one of the VF-201 “Hunters” for twelve years. A proposal for this new museum will go to the Fort Worth City Council soon, Yesterday, the Fort Worth Aviation Department expressed its support of our efforts and I discussed a variety of display options with that Department’s director. If we manage to secure this Tomcat, it will have a prominent place for display. But, we aren’t there yet.
I don’t have a full accounting from our treasurer, but we have pledges and donations for about $9,000 of our $15,000 goal. We are getting very close and I hope to be able to announce our commitment to acquiring this F-14 on loan through the National Museum of Naval Aviation soon. Please forward this update to anyone you think might be interested. Halloween is coming and I would be delighted to have this one be a real treat for all of us. We will update our progress on our web site at http://www.ov-10bronco.net, where there is more information about our Tomcat and you will also find a button there to make donations through PayPal.
Thanks for your support on this project. This is a unique airplane with the distinction of being the longest serving F-14 in the fleet. She deserves a better fate than the scrapper and we are getting close to making “Christine” live another life.
Cheers,
Jim Hodgson
President
OV-10 Bronco Association

Shay
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