tilleydog,

Nope, that’s not a stupid suggestion at all – I wasn’t even aware of it! After a quick Google I can barely find any mention of it so I don’t feel so bad.

I’d still like to get my mitts on the genuine article, so I might badger the Science Museum a little more before looking for alternatives.

I looked into access to Hendon’s library, it appears their photographic department is closed, or at least unable to make copies, but their library is open upon request.

This thread has been unexpectedly useful to me but I’d like to apologise to chumpy for sending it way off topic.

Hi Chumpy,

I was so pleased I managed to get shots of the cockpit and now you tell me the dials aren’t legit! 🙁

Here’s one of me snaps:

I did briefly look at gaining access to Hendon’s library but I was put off for some reason. I’ll be sure to look into it again soon, I can only take this project so far without proper reference.

You say you worked at Westland, you don’t by chance happen to know what happened to SARO’s archives? Are they in the hands of any museums?

Just a thought – have you tried the Jet Age Museum for Gloster photos?

Roger Smith.

No! I hadn’t even heard of it. Not surprising considering it doesn’t physically exist right now according their website. I might contact the webmaster and see if I can get somewhere. Thanks!

Hi Matty,
Looking for anything in particular Schneider wise? Might have something amongst my collection.

Chumpy.

Yes actually. I am in need of photographs of cockpits and seats, but also the pilots and their clothing. Honestly I need all the detail I can get. I was lucky enough to get private access to the S.6a at the Solent Sky museum but sadly the dash was missing a dial or two and the seat had been removed.
Even then I’ve got a worrying feeling the S.6b could have a very different arrangement inside – and that’s the one I really need. I’ve already tried contacting the Science Museum but they seemed less than enthusiastic about me clambering all over it.

Anything on the Gloster IVb would also be a great help. I’ve got a few pictures of the IVa but differences between the 2 is in the detail and that’s where the devil resides, as they say.

Googled it…

Found this brief summary of an article in volume 7 of the British Railway Journal;

The ‘Real Photographs’ story. Stanley J. Rhodes. 179-93.
Ellison Hawks was the advertising manager for Meccano Ltd and the editor of the Meccano Magazine. He formed the Real Photographs Co in Liverpool to supply prints. Rhodes, started to take photographs in the 1930s and supplied prints directly to enthusiasts and via Real Photographs. R.P. News started in July 1941, but the supply of railway photogarphs had to cease during WW2. Post WW2 Rhodes and Hawkes set up in business with the former establishing reproduction facilities in Broadstairs, and then in Ramsgate. The sales and supplies were handled from Southport. It had been hoped to enter into an agreement with Ian Allan to supply prints from the Locomotive Publsihing Co, but the deal failed, and much of the material was damaged. Real Photographs took over the Whitworth Collection (Will Whitworth, Manchester dentist), the H. Gordon Tidey Collection and the Croughton Collection. The phtographic equipment, collections of aircraft and ship photographs, and the eventual transfer of the business to Ian Allan, and the negatives to the NRM, are also detailed.

http://www.steamindex.com/brj/brj7.htm

You’d think they’d show it at Borehamwood 🙁

Will have to drive over to filthy Watford. Thanks Peter. 🙂

To those on their soapboxes here, would you also condone showing movies before the watershed that contained swear words? Because to some people, me included, the word nigger is just as offensive, if not more so.

The fact is, this movie was shown before the watershed, kids could be watching, potentially without adults around to explain the historical context and how that word has a more profound meaning now.

Imagine instead of saying nigger they were saying f**ker (because, hypothetically, it was fine to say f**ker in a family film back then). Would you be so indignant?

And to counter that this is revisionist history, I’m almost certain this wouldn’t be a problem if the film was shown after 9pm where I have seen all manner of nasty words, including nigger, spoken frequently.

I’m sure Lancs didn’t have guns in the wingtips!

The funny thing is, once the remake comes out you’ll get nerds complaining about the tiniest details and how much better the original was.

Watching it again I’m reminded how simple editing, not changing the order of events, but better editing could improve it immensely as an entertainment. You need only watch Star Wars to see how that might be so.