PLAMCFirst clear PLAN Su-30MKK2 pic: No.24 (from Sinodefence). 😎
PLAMCNo, you get it wrong on Y8. The Y8 with rotodome has a longer history than KJ2000(IL76 based) and KJ200(Y8 new variant based). Y8 balance beam is for domestic usage. Y8 with rotodome (not fixed phase array) is now allowed to be exported to get some R&D funds back, at least that’s what they’re thinking.
I don’t think so, as leaked pictures show the NEW Y-8 rotodome type AWACS with the PLAAF ensign. Like JH-7A, J-10A/B, L-15 prototypes which all display the PLAAF ensign, most likely are selected by the PLAAF/PLAN (which so far the J-10A/B & JH-7A have demonstrated).
In many cases, the PLAAF usually preferred a more indigenous content (rather than foreign) with either fighter jets or tanks. It is reported that the Y-8F600, which flys the Balance Beam AWACS type, uses a high proporation of foreign content. Whereas the Y-8 with rotodome type AWACS looks like it fitted on a Y-8F400 platform, a more indigenous platform.
I predict it is highly likely that the Y-8 Rotodome AWACS is for domestic and Y-8 Balance Beam AWACS is for export.
PLAMC“Of these, three will be manufactured in China, while one frigate will be built in Pakistan.”
Why build only one in Pakistan? It should be the other way around and Pakistan should build three of the frigates and China should only build the one.
Because Pakistan lacks a strong shipyard industry, as opposed to China. China’s experience can make these ships with quality more efficiently and quickly than Pakistan can. The actual plan is China will built 2 complete ships, 1 will be mostly built, then transferred to Pakistan for assembling till completion, and the last ship is to be fully built by Pakistan with assistance from Chinese engineers.
China has strong experience with both military and commerical ships.
Pakistan building the F22P FFG with full TOT, will be assist its desire for future self-sufficiency in military weaponry.
PLAMCis the Y-8 a chinese license made version of the AN-12 ? anyone know why two types of radars have been mounted on Y8 (balance beam and fixed rotodome) ?
Agree with tphuang. Most likely the Y-8 with fixed rotodome is a downsized KJ-2000 on A-50/IL-76 platform: is to be armed with the PLAAF/PLAN. Whereas the Y-8 Balance Beam AWACS is for export.
China never sells the same version of weaponry that the PLA uses, to export clients.
eg 1. the J-7E/G is domestic and F-7MG/PG is export
eg 2. PL-8 WVRAAM is domestic and the PL-9C WVRAAM is export.
PLAMCI think CAC & Guizhou belongs to AVIC II group of subsidiaries, while Shenyang belong to AVIC I. Is this correct?
Which companies belong to which group of AVIC I & AVIC II?
– Chengdu Aircraft Company (CAC)
– Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC)
– Hongdu Aircraft Industrial Corp. (HAIC), formerly known as Nanchang.
– Xian Aircraft Corp. (XAC)
– Guizhou Aircraft Industrial Corp. (GAIC)
– Shaanxi Aircraft Corp. (SAXAC)
– Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Company (HAMC)
PLAMCSee, given some of Chavez’s ramblings, that is interesting. Would the PLAAF be interested in acquiring a few F-16s from Venezuela to fly in the aggressor role? Or at least to fly around for a bit and get an idea of the Viper’s combat handling and whatnot? That’d be a pretty interesting and smart move by China if you ask me.
Good idea, but the end result would not be desirable. The F-16s from Venezuela, would cost China $$$ plus the fact they are poorly maintained, that means China will need to put more $$$ in it to maintain them.
I think using the Su-27SKs as an agressor role, would be like the USAF using the F-15s as agressors in Soviet camo scheme. But why didn’t the US buy ageing MiG-29s or Su-27s that are available? I think its the same principle with China.
China may use these Su-27 agressors for its J-10A/B in air to air engagement and training elite pilots.
PLAMCUpdate on ARJ-21, civilian versions of Z-9 & Z-11
Self-developed jet to fly maiden trip
China’s first independently developed passenger jet will take off on its maiden flight in 2008.
The 70-seater ARJ21 turbofan aircraft is due to make it’s first flight in March 2008 after being fully assembled by the end of next year.
The plane, slated to run regional lines and now being built by the China Aviation Industry Corporation I (AVIC I), will become available to buyers in September 2009, said the company’s President Liu Gaozhuo at a working meeting in Beijing.
He added that the corporation aims to produce 11 ARJ21s a year by 2010, taking a lion’s share of the world’s fiercely-competitive civil aviation market.
Design work began on the aircraft in March 2002.
AVIC I Senior Vice-President Yang Yuzhong said the plane entered the final trial production stage yesterday, having already completed a feasibility study, preliminary development, and development period.
Zhang Yunchuan, head of the Commission of Science Technology and Industry for National Defence (COSTIND), said more than 40 orders have already been placed for ARJ21s, despite production having yet to begin.
Buyers include Shanghai Airlines, he said.
“This is a milestone for China’s aviation industry, in that it is the country’s first independently-developed civil aviation programme and a prerequisite for future trunk-liners,” Zhang said.
Zhang said 19 foreign suppliers have become risk partners in developing the ARJ21.
According to the Xinhua News Agency, there are only 74 feeder liners planes suitable for use on non-trunk lines currently available on the Chinese mainland, although more than 600 will be needed in the coming two decades.
Demand from the international feeder line transport market is expected to exceed 4,000.
Wu Guanghui, chief designer of ARJ21 and president of the AVIC I First Aircraft Institute, said after all types of experiments last year the plane has finally met its designed flight characteristics.
“Ninety per cent of the plane’s components will be made by the end of this year,” he said.
AVIC I set up shareholding firm Commercial Aircraft Co Ltd (ACAC) in September 2002 to develop civil aircraft. ACAC is now the co-ordinator in developing the ARJ21.
Wu said they plan to develop a series of ARJ21 planes, seating between 70 and 110, in order to meet the diverse air industry’s demands.
He added that passengers would be very comfortable onboard the turbofan aircraft, which will have a range of 3,600 kilometres.
Shao Xiaoyun, vice-president of Shanghai Airlines, said they are fully confident on the success of ARJ21, and as a buyer the airline will offer its full support to the feeder liner.
China’s air transport industry has expanded at an annual rate of 18 per cent since 1978, and more than 90 feeder liners have been built in the mainland’s medium-scale cities in recent years.
However the share of feeder liners among China’s total fleet still less than 10 per cent.
The Chinese mainland, which has the second most air traffic in the world, now has some 570 general aviation aircraft, said the Xinhua News Agency.
Over the past 51 years COSTIND has produced Chinese-made Y-7, Y-8 and Y-10 aircraft for military use.
And speaking on condition of anonymity last night COSTIND officials said they are now developing a Y-12E general-purpose aircraft for use in high-temperature and plateau conditions as well as providing Z-11 and Z-9 helicopters for the commercial market.
Source: China Daily
http://english.people.com.cn/200606/01/eng20060601_270222.html
PLAMCAustralian paper indicates China will get 300 more J-10s over current 50-100 in fleet
So that will be up to 400 J-10A/B for the PLAAF and PLAN.
China: Reported deployment of up to 300 more J-10 fighters and its military build-up facing Taiwan are cause for concern.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/neighbours-fallingout-worries-asia/2006/05/25/1148524819005.html
PLAMCGood article Deino,
But one confusing thing is that the article mentions that the “Y-8F600” will fly for the first time in 2006. If that is the case, then how come the Y-8 Balance Beam AWACS (which uses the Y-8F600) platform has already flown and undergoing flight tests? Very contradicting.
PLAMCA estimated potential export number of FC-1 to many conuntries… :diablo:
Pakistan-150
Mynamar-40/60
Bangladesh-12
Zimbawe-30
Sudan-80
Venezuela-100
Albania-40
Libya-150
Nigeria-80
Eygpt-120
Iran-150
North Korea-40(free from PRC)
Vietnam-70
Sri Lanka-30
Indonesia-40/60
Philippines-40
Thailand-50Total sales:1222 (A very ambition estimate at estimate price of 15million USD each) but If hit 800 export order already consider very good 😀
Thats a wet dream estimate. Firstly Albania will not get it, as it wants to join NATO. Vietnam is unlikely to go for Chinese jets, and the Philippines as well. North Korea can’t afford and China won’t give it for free.
Venezuala have hinted they will be seeking possibly the Su-27SM or Su-30MK (maybe Su-35 too). Burma has recently ordered MiG-29s, so this bankrupted regime will find it hard to get more funds to buy FC-1s.
PLAMCTaxing test?
Its photoshopped. Its prototype 01, not 04.
PLAMCSCO Joint-military exercise in 2007 to be held in Russia
SCO to stage joint anti-terror military exercise in 2007
Six member countries of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) Wednesday agreed to stage a joint anti-terror military exercise in 2007 in Russia, according to a joint communique.
The joint communique was signed in the wake of the SCO defense ministers’ meeting, which groups China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.
An expert group will be set up to coordinate the preparation and implementation of the joint war game, the communique said.
“The military exercise is not targeted at a third country,” Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov told the press following the meeting, stressing the SCO is not a military or political bloc.
Except Uzbekistan, other five countries of the SCO held their first-ever joint anti-terror exercise within the framework of the SCO in August 2003, with the first phase in Kazakhstan and the second in China.
As new threats and challenges, such as terrorism, separatism, extremism and cross-border crimes, are becoming increasingly prominent, the regional and international cooperation are required, the communique said.
The SCO should become an effective mechanism for member countries to tackle new challenges and threats and safeguard international and regional security, the communique said.
The SCO member countries will continue to step up the cooperation in defense and security by carrying out the “Shanghai Spirit” which features mutual trust, mutual benefit, equality, respect for diverse cultures and seeking common development, the communique said.
Stressing the importance of expanding dialogue and exchange among defense departments of the SCO member countries, defense ministers decided that they will maintain the current exchange mechanism and hold more seminars and meetings to exchange views on regional security.
The next SCO defense minister meeting will be held in Kyrgyzstan in 2007, according to the communique.
Source: Xinhua
http://english.people.com.cn/200604/26/eng20060426_261341.html
PLAMCVenezuelan sales
Chinese, Russian sales looming in Venezuela
By José Higuera JDW Correspondent
SantiagoThe Venezuelan Air Force is considering the procurement of a number of Sukhoi Su-25 ground attack aircraft, sources in Caracas have told Jane’s.
The new plans were devised after a project to buy up to 24 Brazilian-made Embraer A-29 Super Tucano light attack aircraft stalled under a threat from the US government to block the transfer to Venezuela of any components and parts made in, or licensed from, the US.
Talks are said to be under way with Russia’s defence export agency Rosoboronexport, which is trying to tie the Su-25 offer to the sale of a batch of Sukhoi Su-27SMs. According to Venezuelan sources, negotiations involve the procurement of 14 Su-25s and 12 Su-27s.
Sources in Caracas also told Jane’s that Venezuela is close to a deal for the acquisition of a new Chinese national defence communications system network. The system would be satellite based and have powerful encryption, as well as other strong security capabilities.
PLAMCTaiwan Province: AIDC offered local production for S-70 Black Hawk & AH-1Z King Cobra
Sikorsky offers S-70 line to Taiwan for UH-60 deal
BRENDAN SOBIE / SINGAPORE
Manufacturer promotes Black Hawk derivatives to meet variety of requirements
Sikorsky has offered to shift S-70 production to Taiwan’s Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation (AIDC) if Taipei agrees to select UH-60 Black Hawk derivatives for several of its new helicopter requirements.
Industry sources say Taiwan has so far refused to accept the unsolicited proposal because it is not ready to acquire replacements for its army AH-1W attack and UH-1H utility helicopters and is also leaning towards purchasing other types for more immediate firefighting and search and rescue (SAR) requirements.
Sikorsky has approached several foreign manufacturers over the past year to gauge their interest in producing the S-70 and UH-60L. The manufacturer is preparing to phase out production of the UH-60L and derivatives to make room for the new UH-60M and to satisfy orders for over 1,200 Ms from the US Army. It also has discussed moving S-70/UH-60L production to the Czech Republic, Poland, South Korea and Turkey, although Seoul has now been excluded because it earlier this month confirmed a decision to advance an indigenous project in partnership with Eurocopter.
Taiwan will similarly be excluded if the Black Hawk is not selected by its army. The service has long required replacements for its AH-1W and UH-1H fleets, but an anticipated acquisition of 150-plus aircraft is not expected to begin for at least another two years.
Sikorsky is trying to persuade the service, which in early 2004 received bids for an initial 30 AH-1Zs and Boeing AH-64D Apache Longbows, to consider an armed version of the S-70.
Bell last year also submitted a licence-production proposal for the AH-1Z, but Boeing will not make an industrial offer until Taipei issues a formal request (Flight International, 1-7 November 2005).
For the utility requirement, Bell plans to offer the UH-1Y, Boeing CH-47F Chinooks and Sikorsky another S-70 derivative. Taiwan’s air force already operates S-70s for SAR duties and has been evaluating Sikorsky’s S-92 against the Eurocopter EC225 for a new SAR acquisition.
AIDC, which already manufactures S-92 cockpits and AH-1Z/UH-1Y tail booms, needs new programmes for its defence division, which has struggled in recent years because of a lack of new Western procurements with offset requirements. The company has also been frustrated by Taipei’s reluctance to launch indigenous programmes.
PLAMCMore updates on J-10 purchase as well as F-16
Pakistan shops for F-16s and J-10s
BRENDAN SOBIE / SINGAPORELetter of request expected for Lockheed jets, but China has yet to confirm deal for advanced fighters
Pakistan has unveiled plans to acquire 18 new Lockheed Martin F-16C/Ds and 26 used F-16A/Bs as part of a major expansion of its fighter fleet, which will also include Chinese Chengdu FC-1s and potentially Chengdu J-10s.
Industry sources say Islamabad is preparing a letter of request for 18 Block 52 F-16C/Ds plus 18 options. The document is expected to be sent to Washington within the next few weeks, with Congress to be notified of the pending deal by late May. Sources say a letter of agreement could be signed late this year for deliveries from 2009.
Last April, Islamabad issued a request for 55 new F-16C/Ds plus 20 options, but withdrew it following a catastrophic earthquake in November, just before Congress was to be notified of the deal. Pakistan has since reduced the acquisition to only 18 firm aircraft to reflect new constraints on its budget caused by ongoing disaster recovery efforts (Flight International, 28 March–3 April).
Pakistan now plans to also acquire 26 F-16A/Bs from the US excess aircraft inventory and is now working on drafting a request that will result in specific aircraft being identified. Pakistan plans to eventually upgrade these aircraft in-country, along with its existing two F-16A/B squadrons and two ex-US Air Force aircraft delivered last December.
Sources say Islamabad is undecided on a final configuration for its new and upgraded F-16s, but plans to ask Washington for Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles and Boeing Joint Direct Attack Munition bomb guidance kits.
Meanwhile, Pakistan is moving forward with its purchase of up to 150 FC-1 light fighters, also known as the JF-17 and Super-7. Chengdu so far has only secured an order from Pakistan for 16 FC-1s, but expects to secure a larger deal following deployment of the first batch.
Islamabad is also reportedly seeking to buy up to 36 heavier J-10s for multi-role missions. Chengdu declines to comment on potential exports of the type – which so far has only been acquired domestically – because the programme is still classified.
The China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) denies the J-10 has been added to its export product offering.
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