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  • in reply to: China's News, Pics and Speculation Part 9 #2586483
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    I agree with tphuang, getting the FC-1 is a burden for China plus on top of that: the FC-1 has very little potential for China to acquire.

    Just wait till you see a J-10 in PLAN colours.

    Anyway, I couldn’t find the Army Posting, so I’ve post this here 😀 :

    Chinese army wakes up to snorers
    April 25, 2006
    BEIJING: China’s army recruits will sleep better at night under a new regulation banning chronic snorers from joining up.
    Drug-takers, tattoo-wearers and overweight applicants will also be blacklisted, Chinese newspapers reported yesterday. “Given that chronic snorers’ sounds disturb the life of others, a new regulation … has been added,” the Beijing Times quoted army official Li Chunming as saying.

    “Recruits with any marks, words or designs exceeding two centimetres in diameter (tattooed) on exposed parts of the body when wearing short sleeves (are banned). Tattoos on other parts of the body are limited to 3cm.”

    Also on the hit list are the short, the skinny and the fat. Applicants will sit psychological tests and have their urine tested for evidence of drug use.

    The new regulations were tailored to today’s youth, the Beijing Times said.

    Reuters

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,18920870-31477,00.html

    in reply to: China's News, Pics and Speculation Part 9 #2586500
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    This particular news is quite recent (though i must admit similar things have been said in past from time to time) yet RD-93 contract with China was signed a few months back and must have taken a while to be negotiated. If these engines are indeed solely for Pakistan, this forces one to conclude that there never was any significant problem with PAF getting these engines in spite of all the noises we heard from different quarters, and that a follow up order from Pakistan is a forgone conclusion.

    Taking into consideration the latest news item (kindly posted by star49) which states “Now we have entered negotiations with the Chinese on the second contract for 100 more engines, “ its logical to assume that CAC probably already has other orders besides that from PAF. We have also heard from other reports in past that Russians hope to sell 500 or so RD-93 engines to China, which indicates they are quite certain about a chinese order.

    PS. PAF top brass has always maintained that China would buy FC-1, while some have said that China has already committed to 200 odd machines. Also take a note that of first 16 machines, only 8 are destined for PAF while the remaining 8 would be going to PLAAF test & evaluation centre.

    There you go: firstly its states that the Russians are in negotiations with China to have the second contract of 100 RD-93 engines (well, if this is the case, I think its about a 80% chance it would be successful). Then you have a TOTAL of only 200 engines. Which is enough for the PAF orders and as spares.

    Plus the first 16 FC-1 units are all for the PAF, if you check recent sources. Its no longer 8 for PLAAF and 8 for PAF. It states clearly that the “Russians HOPE to sell up to 500 engines” is not definite, its a possibility. And the PAF official believes China will buy the FC-1: not that he states clearly that China will buy the FC-1 (whereas its his opinion).

    I still doubt that China (both the PLAAF & PLAN) will order the FC-1 in large numbers. The biggest number China could ever order the FC-1 is between 100 to 200.

    Why? Firstly China’s defence budget is approx $35.1 bn USD, while US estimates are approx. are around $75 bn to $100 bn USD. With such a big budget plus averages of 15% increase to defence every year, surely China can afford more than 500 J-10A/B and future variants.

    I mean the J-10 has been solely funded by the PLAAF (and the Central Govt. as well), its stupid to see the PLAAF & PLAN to order only less than 300 J-10s.

    Plus the J-10 represents China’s first indigenous 4th generation multirole fighter, its meant to replace China’s mass 2nd and 3rd generation fighters for decades to come.

    Its dumb if China purchases 1000 FC-1s, then till around 2025, China will need to replace them to future J-10 variants or 5th generation fighters. Plus the J-10 is an insurance policy for China, should 5th generation fighters be delay (assuming the F-35 scenario), then the J-10 can be easily upgraded to an appropiate standard to withstand time as a stop-gap, until 5th gen fighters are ready.

    in reply to: China's News, Pics and Speculation Part 9 #2588261
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    The article also says…Chengdu so far has only secured an order from Pakistan for 16 FC-1s. But then we do know from other sources that China has ordered 100 RD-93 while some sources maintain that Russia wont let china Pass these engines to Pakistan. Question thus arises…who these engines are for???

    True, but remember recently there was a change of tides in the Kremilin. Moscow indicated it would follow the US’s South Asia tactic of supplying military-related equipment to both Pakistan and India. So those 100 RD-93 engines are for Pakistan. The initial 50 to 100 JF-17 still need be manufactured by CAC, as the PAC are only doing the assembly work, but its gains pace and get fully the know-how on completely manufacturing the FC-1.

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    This article proves China still having ordered the FC-1 or not interested

    Chengdu so far has only secured an order from Pakistan for 16 FC-1s but expects a large follow-on order following deployment of the first batch and hopes to raise interest from the Chinese air force and other potential export customers from the Zhuhai air show.

    The PLAAF is unlikely to order the FC-1.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/04/19/Navigation/190/206060/P…

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    ARJ-21 begins production and first jet to fly March 2008

    Chinese turn

    China’s indigenous regional jet, the ARJ21, is on track for service entry in 2009 – but the aircraft will have to be slightly bigger than originally planned

    Chinese state-owned manufacturer AVIC 1 Commercial Aircraft (ACAC) has made major changes to its ARJ21-700 regional jet aircraft, which is expected to enter service in late 2009, to meet regulatory requirements.

    The original design was for the fuselage exit doors to be positioned above and towards the front of the wing, but the Shanghai-based manufacturer’s president Zheng Qiang says regulators suggested the doors should be moved towards the back of the wing to make evacuation easier. As a result, ACAC has stretched the fuselage and added five seats to the original 85-seat base model, turning it into a 90-seater.

    Repositioning the doors created a problem, however, as it meant they were too close to the aircraft’s fuselage-mounted General Electric CF34-10A engines.

    ACAC has solved this by stretching the fuselage by about 1m (3ft) to create more distance between the exit doors and the engines. This allowed the extra row of five seats to be fitted in the cabin – a move Zheng says has been welcomed by airline customers. The consensus is “that 90 seats better suits their requirements”, he says.

    While ACAC has made the aircraft bigger, it has also worked to get its weight down. “We did a careful programme revision in June last year and we realised during [the process] that the aircraft had some serious overweight issues,” says Zheng.

    ACAC then spent the next six months on “design optimisation” to reduce weight and drag and is considering using composite materials for the horizontal stabiliser and tail fin, although other large sections, such as the nose, wing and main fuselage, will remain metallic.

    Another design change is “reducing the winglets in size a bit to reduce load on the wing while still maintaining cruise effect”. Zheng says by the end of last year ACAC had “finalised and released the structural drawings and these drawings have been pre-approved by the Civil Aviation Administration of China”.

    First aircraft

    The main task this year is to manufacture all the parts for the first aircraft, says Zheng, with the main aircraft sections to be supplied by different AVIC 1 aircraft factories across China, making the ARJ21 programme very much a team effort.

    Chengdu Aircraft is manufacturing the nose; Xian Aircraft the fuselage and wing; Shenyang Aircraft the engine pylon and vertical stabiliser; while Shanghai Aviation Industrial Group will provide the horizontal stabilizer. Jinan Special Structure Research Institute, meanwhile, will be helping with composite materials.

    Final assembly will be handled by Shanghai Aviation Industrial Group. “According to our schedule, the first aircraft roll-out will be at end of 2007,” says Zheng. The first flight is scheduled for March 2008.

    The ARJ21’s engine maker, General Electric, says it has completed the joint definition phase and plans to release the detailed CF34-10A engine design by the middle of this year. GE says “later in 2006” it plans to deliver “test hardware to ACAC for avionics rig and iron bird tests”. The company adds that it has matched its “engine test and certification schedule to the ARJ21 aircraft programme schedule”.

    “The first full engine test is planned for 2007, followed by first flight on the ARJ21 in 2008. US FAR 33 engine certification is targeted for late that year.” GE also points out that the CF34-10A is roughly 80% common with the CF34-10E used to power the Embraer 190/195.

    “To help ensure a trouble-free entry into service and mature reliability for the engine, GE will apply lessons learned from the CF34-10E field service experience to the -10A,” it adds.

    Zheng says most of the flight tests will be at the China Flight Establishment, the country’s main flight test airfield near Xian in central China. He adds that ACAC expects the ARJ21-700 to receive CAAC type certification in September 2009 and go into service a few weeks after that.

    ACAC is also hoping the ARJ21-700 can receive US Federal Aviation Administration certification at the same time that the CAAC approves the aircraft. Zheng is optimistic that this will happen because he says the FAA and CAAC are already collaborating.

    “The FAA [has] sent four experts to the CAAC to help with certification of this programme [in China]. We think this will help us later on when applying for FAA certification,” he says.

    Having the FAA involved early reflects the fact that the ARJ21 programme has 19 overseas suppliers, most from the USA, followed by Europe. “They are all our risk-sharing partners and in terms of value these European and US suppliers [account for] 60-70% of the aircraft’s value.”

    Zheng says ACAC is also “discussing with the European certification authorities” and plans to apply for European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) certification after FAA approval. “The FAA is more strict, so if we can get FAA it should be easier to get the EASA certificate,” says Zheng.

    Western sales

    Getting FAA and EASA certification would be significant because it would mean the Chinese manufacturer could sell the aircraft in Western markets. Previously, export opportunities for Chinese commercial aircraft manufacturers have been limited because Chinese aircraft have lacked US and European certification.

    This has meant the Chinese have generally focused their international sales efforts on second and third world nations or countries with which they have close political ties. Zheng says ACAC is likely to start by targeting China’s traditional markets – Africa, South America and South-East Asia – and that the biggest challenge it faces is “time”, with the earliest date an ARJ21-700 could be delivered to an overseas customer being 2011, says Zheng.

    This is because ACAC first has to fulfil the 35 orders it has from Chinese buyers, with launch customer Shandong Airlines leading the way with 10 ARJ21-700s on order. Shanghai Airlines has ordered five -700s, while the remaining 20 -700s are on order for Shenzhen Financial Leasing. Xiamen Airlines has signed a memorandum of understanding for six -700s, but has yet to commit to a firm order, says Zheng.

    This year ACAC expects to sell another 10-15 ARJ21-700s, but these will be to Chinese carriers, predicts Zheng. ACAC is marketing the ARJ21 as an aircraft ideally suited for “hot and high” flying conditions and one that can take off and land from airports with shorter runways – ideal for China’s more remote and mountainous regions.

    The Chinese government, which named the aircraft the Advanced Regional Jet for the 21st Century – hence ARJ21 – wants the type to connect smaller cities to the major centres and help develop China’s more remote western provinces.

    Sales and marketing personnel at ACAC have also been highlighting that the ARJ21 has a spacious passenger cabin, 3.14m (10.3ft) at its widest point and with a height of 2.03m, designed for five-abreast seating. The standard -700 has a range of 2,230km (1,200nm), maximum operating altitude of 39,000ft and requires a field length for take-off of 1,700m. An extended-range version has a range of 3,700km.

    ACAC is aiming for more than 50% of the mainland Chinese market for commercial regional jets. From a cost point of view, the ARJ21 has an edge over imported regional jet aircraft because it is not subject to import tariffs.

    The only other regional commercial jet aircraft now made in China is the 50-seat ERJ-145 from Harbin Embraer, a joint venture between China’s Harbin Aircraft and Brazil’s Embraer.

    ACAC, meanwhile, is also hoping to win over Chinese airlines by having a purpose-built ARJ21 aircraft customer service centre at the Zizhu Science Based Industrial Park in Shanghai’s Minhang district. ACAC says it will house a spare-parts service centre, plus a training centre that will conduct ARJ21 flight maintenance and cabin attendant training programmes.

    “Construction of the ARJ21 customer service centre is scheduled to be completed by June 2007 and be put into use in 2008,” says ACAC, which for the longer term plans to relocate its corporate quarters there following a second-phase site expansion.

    ACAC claims that having the ARJ21 customer service centre will reduce operators’ training and maintenance costs. The purpose-built support centre is significant as it answers concerns from some Chinese airlines that there might be insufficient after-sales support.

    Shanghai Airlines’ chairman Zhou Chi told Flight International in September 2003 that after-sales support was the only major concern Shanghai Airlines had with the ARJ21. “AVIC I in the past may not have had a perfect [after-sales] service system,” said Zhou, adding that “we hope that AVIC I can perfect this system. They have realised this and promised to build a nice after-sales support system.”

    But Shanghai Airlines’ concerns appear to have been addressed. At a “foundation stone laying ceremony” held last December to promote the ARJ21 customer service centre, Shanghai Airlines’ vice-president Shao Xiaoyun was quoted as saying: “I can see that high attention has been paid by ACAC to customer service.”

    Stretched version

    While ACAC is gearing up for first production of the ARJ21-700, it also has plans on the board for an ARJ21-900, which is a stretched version.

    But in the light of the changes made to the -700’s seating capacity, ACAC is re-evaluating what the -900’s seating capacity will be. It was originally planned to have 105 seats, but “later this year we will start discussions [with Chinese airlines] for configuration of the -900” and plan to launch the -900 in 2007 subject to Chinese government approval, says Zheng.

    China’s government granted approval for the -700 in January 2003, but it has yet to give the go-ahead for the -900. The -900 standard version has the same range as the -700 standard version, but the extended range -900’s 3,330km is about 350km shorter than that of the -700ER.

    ACAC has also yet to get the government green light for a freighter and business jet versions of the ARJ21 and so has yet to formally offer these aircraft for sale. An additional auxiliary fuel tank gives the ARJ21-700 business jet a range of 6,110km, enough to reach any point in China.

    ACAC’s promotional material shows the business jet seating 20 passengers: three rows of two by two seating, one seat each side of a table and a further six seats arranged around a meeting table.

    The ARJ21-700 freighter, meanwhile, has a main hold that is 19m long, a maximum payload of 10,150kg (22,360lb) and a range of 3,335km. The hold is big enough to house five 2D7 containers or four to five standard cargo pallets.

    At this year’s Asian Aerospace air show, ACAC will be displaying scale models of the ARJ21.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/02/14/204680/Chinese+turn.html

    in reply to: China's News, Pics and Speculation Part 9 #2594884
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    People’s Daily: Its official FC-1 prototype 04 to take off late April

    Xiaolong fighter 04 to take off

    The maiden flight of China’s third generation fighter Xiaolong 04 will take place at the end of April 2006, according to China Aviation News. Xiaolong 04 is equipped with complete avionics systems. In addition, its structure has been optimized and appearance adjusted, which gives certain boost to the combat capability.

    http://english.people.com.cn/200604/14/eng20060414_258432.html

    in reply to: Chinese exports, part III! #2599623
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    So are Bangladesh’s new F-7BGs based on the PAF’s F-7PG or the latest J-7G? What radar do they have?

    in reply to: Chinese exports, part III! #2562896
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    Golden Dragon, I didn’t make it up…

    Previously there was an article with Venezuala considering the J-10 or Su-27 as its next generation fighter, due to the embargo on F-16 parts from the US.

    This is just suggesting Venezuala is favouring the Su-35, thats all. Funny from a Russian source.

    Who knows, in the end, Venezuala may take up the J-10?

    in reply to: Chinese exports, part III! #2563016
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    Russian sources: Venezuala to favour Su-35 over J-10

    Venezuela To Acquire Su-35 Combat Airplane from Russia
    Written by Administrator
    Tuesday, 21 March 2006
    Venezuela shows interest to Russian multifunctional airplanes of Su-30MK and Su-35 series, deputy director general of Sukhoi aircraft holding company (AHC) Alexander Klementev states. As he says, this interest “has been confirmed during negotiations at various management levels”. “I think, that in the foreseeable future, as it seems to me before current year expires, we shall have some intermediate results achieved in this matter,” A. Klementev stated.
    Answering a question on tentative dates when Su-35s may be delivered to Venezuela, he said: “It is difficult to comment on this issue, as Rosoboronexport company is directly responsible for promoting military equipment items “.”Everything, that depends on us, we do in full scope,” Sukhoi AHC deputy director general specified. He announced, that a model of a super-maneuverable multifunctional fighter of Su-35 series would be exhibited on Sukhoi AHC exposition site at 14th International Air & Space Fair FIDAE-2006 to be held in Santyago (Chile) 27.03-02.04 2006. “Su-35 is a machine, which we put a stake on, while entering new markets and promoting our advanced products there,” A. Klementev noted. According to experts, Su-35 fighter is a profoundly modified design of Su-27/27SM prototypes. Su-35 is featured by a new air engine to be installed, having thrust as much as 14 tons (rather than 12.5 ton), and a new airborne equipment, including Irbis onboard radar. The fighter is also to be armed with new missiles of different class.

    http://www.armypress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1024&Itemid=46

    in reply to: New F-15F Strike Eagle #2563206
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    Some more info on the F-15F:

    It was also intended for the USAF and IDF/AF to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities. With very long range that can travel from Algeria to Pakistan.

    http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/IsraelMissile.html

    http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/bomber/f15e/

    in reply to: Chinese exports, part III! #2564077
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    Thais issue requirement
    Thailand has drafted a requirement for three airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft as part of a new nine-year spending plan. Industry sources expect Bangkok will only consider small platforms, such as the Embraer ERJ-145 and Saab 2000. The requirement calls for the purchase of three aircraft “capable for AEW&C”, but stipulates that only two should be fully equipped.

    The Swedish government has already offered to sell Thailand Saab 2000s with Ericsson Erieye radars as part of a proposal to supply the country with the Saab/BAE Systems Gripen fighter.

    The Thai air force is now evaluating the Gripen, Lockheed Martin F-16C/D and Sukhoi Su-30 for its new fighter requirement.

    Thailand’s recently drafted wishlist includes 12 to 18 new multirole fighters, six transport aircraft each capable of carrying at least 40 troops, 12 8.5t combat search-and-rescue helicopters and six unmanned air vehicles.

    http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/03/21/Navigation/190/205538/Thais+issue+requirement.html

    You think China can sell Y-8 AWACS, FC-1s, L-15s, Y-9s or WZ-2000 UAVs?

    in reply to: China's News, Pics and Speculation Part 9 #2565801
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    ROCAF Developments

    Taiwan power projection advances with Wan Chien
    Taiwan (The Republic of China – RoC) has announced the development of a new stand-off glide air-to-ground weapon for the RoC Air Force.
    [Jane’s Defence Weekly- first posted to http://jdw.janes.com – 16 March 2006]

    Taiwan develops new air-defence weapon
    The Republic of China (Taiwan) 202nd Arsenal Materiel Production Centre has developed a new towed low-level anti-aircraft gun (AAG) system based on a modified Swedish Bofors Defence 40 mm L/AAG system.
    [Jane’s Defence Weekly- first posted to http://jdw.janes.com – 13 March 2006]

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    Why Chinese continually gets oppressed by right wingers

    US Quadrennial Defense Review sparks anger in China

    By John Hill

    Once again, a report by the US military has provoked a public display of ire in Beijing. This time, it is the Pentagon’s Quadrennial Defense Review (QDR), published in February, in which the senior leadership of the Department of Defense (DoD) “sets out where the department currently is and the direction we believe it needs to go in fulfilling our responsibilities to the American people”. The assessment is primarily concerned with what it calls “a long war” against terrorists, “currently… centred in Iraq and Afghanistan”, but it also has something to say about the wider security environment, and in particular about China.

    In the most recent QDR, the Pentagon has pinpointed the perceived threat from China far more specifically than in previous reports, and this alone is enough to be of concern to Beijing. Robert Sutter, professor of Asian Studies at Georgetown University and former national intelligence officer for East Asia and the Pacific at the US National Intelligence Council, told Jane’s that the QDR reflects “continued strong US government (not just DoD) concern about China’s military build-up and other policies seen as disruptive or potentially disruptive to international norms supported by the US government”.

    However, the seemingly bellicose rhetoric within the QDR belies the US’s actual policy formulation towards China. Professor Shi Yinhong, the director of the Centre for American Studies at Beijing’s People’s University told Jane’s: “The US government is paying much more attention than before to the peaceful nature and co-operative aspects of China’s foreign policy, and [is trying] to increase the possibility of a future ‘good’ China through rhetorical and substantial policy actions, while making strategic preparations… to guard against the possibility of a ‘bad’ one.” He commented that the US government “really believes” in the concept of China being at a “strategic crossroads”.

    http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jir/jir060307_2_n.shtml

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    From ChinaDefense.com: something the PAF may consider acquiring

    P&W’s PW150B Engine Selected for China’s Y8F600 Aircraft

    (Source : Pratt & Whitney Canada; issued Nov. 6, 2002)

    ZHUHAI, China — China Aviation Industry Corporation II (AVIC II) and Pratt & Whitney Canada (P&WC) announced today that they have signed agreement for the installation of the PW150B engine on the Y8F600 aircraft program. The aircraft development program has been launched and aircraft certification is scheduled for the fourth quarter of 2005.

    The Y8 is a four-engine medium transport aircraft developed and manufactured by Shaanxi Aircraft Company, a subsidiary of AVIC II. It has a maximum take-off weight of 61 tonnes and maximum payload of 20 tonnes. The Y-8 series includes 16 successfully developed versions, with a total of 90 aircraft produced and sold. It is mainly used in general transport and postal aviation.

    AVIC II has chosen the PW150B in their strategy to widen the Y-8 market, further improve operational performance and reduce direct operating costs. The PW150B engine will power AVIC II’s new Y8F600 model. The PW150 is a latest-technology engine developed based on the PW100 engine family’s 74 million hours of flight experience.

    Fitted with the PW150B, Y8F600 will offer improved take-off performance at “hot and high” airports and high altitude cruise performance, extended engine service lives, and lower engine operating and maintenance costs. In addition, noise levels will be reduced and meet stringent airport noise restrictions. The Y8F600 will also be fitted with modern industry standard civil cargo handling systems. With aircraft MTOW increased to 65 tonnes, the Y-8F600 will have broad market appeal and sales of more than 100 aircraft is expected.

    “AVIC II has already established good cooperation with P&WC. I hope that both parties will attain further success through theY8 re-engine program,” said Dr. Zhang Yanzhong, President of AVIC II.

    China Aviation Industry Corporation II (AVIC II) is a large state-owned aviation industrial group engaged in the development and manufacture of aircraft for markets such as the transport, trainer and helicopter markets. AVIC II has become the main supplier of China’s domestic aviation market. AVIC II takes full use of its own advantages, focuses on the development of aircraft and automobiles and actively takes part in international cooperation.

    P&WC, based in Longueuil, Quebec, is a world leader in aviation engines powering business and regional aircraft and helicopters. The company also offers advanced engines for industrial applications. P&WC’s operations and service network span the globe. P&WC is a subsidiary of United Technologies Corporation, a high-technology company based in Hartford, Connecticut.

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    The first one looks like a AWACS on a Y-8F600 platform and the second one looks like the new PLAN Y-8 ELINT.

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