I came here on PAKFA thread hopping to see more knowledgeble members discussing T50-5 but instead people have allowed themselves to be derailed on the last 3 pages by Scooter and other trolls.the last 2 posts seem to have got us back on track and can we please keep it that way after all T50-5 has just come out.More discussion of T50- 5 pics please
thanks
But people are here are more bothered to pamper their egos about their knowledge rather than spreading knowledge.
the forum need quality posts member not higher number of posts members
here are some pics to share
A 3/4 look, a new PChN (LEVCon) mounts are clearly visible:
SOME STRUCTURAL MODIFICATIONS ALSO
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Strangely comparing the 4th protype with 5th protype
2 things again reappear
1st is 101KS-O (defensive countermeasures station against infrared homing missiles)
2nd is 101KS-U all-round awareness system (roughly saying, Russian counterpart of the F-35’s Distributed Aperture System (DAS) ). Threat detection, acquisition and targeting.
3rd 101-KS U MAWS On the fuselage sides of the t-50-4, dissappeared again (lol)
here compare those 2 pics again
5TH PROTOTYPE
4TH PROTOYPE
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Sure, the Typhoon brings many of the same things to the table in that it is fast and agile. Its speed and stealth would be somewhat less than a PAK FA, but with Meteor it has a far more deadly missile that would present a major threat to both any high value target as well as any escorting fighters.
Blah di blah!!!!
may be you have swallowed up this marketing ad from typhoon consortium group :dev2:
Hmm!!
let me guess
“fast & Agile”
Hmm!! on one hand you are claiming it is going to be fast as pak-fa & on the other hand you are claiming it’s speed going to be less as compare to Pak-fa
now WTF does that mean .?? :stupid:
tell u what pakfa protypes now are tested with stage 1engine of the 117 variant that too boast of having achieving Mach 1.5 supercruise speed when the stage 2 variant of 117 engine is replaced which is going to be it’s real engine which is touted to be even more powerful than stage 1 variant
then u can guess what would be it’s supercruise speed when pak-fa gets it’s real engine
Agility
another remarkable assumption by you i must say
A plane which is not having all these characteristics is called as agile against a plane which is having all these features
* 3D TVC
* Full moveable LERX
* Full moveable vertical and horizontal stabilizers
* higher T/W ratio if new engines are installed
* much higher climb rate
GEEZ!!
strange thing is i thought Pak-fa is going to be more maneuvarable than F22 as it had compromised stealth to be more maneuvable than F22
I was a wrong then :eagerness:
Meteor missille
it is an incredible missile indeed ,DOnt worry i wont argue about BVR missile usefulness like others even though that is very important factor that too against a stealth plane that would be even more hopeless but i wont drag it in here .
But it has got nothing to do with typhoon even Rafale would be greater threat than typhoon as it can cue it’s Meteor missile
with spectra alone without turning on it’s aesa radar for stealth reason which Typhoon cannot with DASS..Becoz turning on your aesa radar against F22 is going to be a suicide for the pilot as F22’s ALR 94 system would detect it radio emssion & not only that it would cue it’s BVRAAM with it without turning on it’s own aesa radar for stealth reasons.
allright u must be knowing the Russians had scrapped their ramjet powered BVRAAM but the fact is we dont know yet Pak-fa’s real weapons as the russians have yet to reveal it’s weapons.
Here is an interesting news which i had posted in Pak-fa thread
One aspect of the T-50 program is to create on-board weapons within schedule and budget funding. August 28, General Director of “Tactical Missiles Corporation” (Tactical Missiles Corporation) Boris Obnosov spoke about the modernization of the existing and development of new-generation aircraft armament. Portages made a pretentious statement that creates new air combat missiles, whose characteristics will be better UR Meteor develop a European company MBDA. However, Obnosov states that all samples of airborne weapons, created as part of the T-50, will also be included in the nomenclature of weapons of Su-35.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.co.in&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://vpk.name/news/96030_maks2013_perspektivyi_t50_sopryazhenyi_s_sereznyimi_problemami.html&usg=ALkJrhg2d_gT45QVQVr6gxC-4nGoAO62Ag
May be Russians indeed agree with your POV about meteor missile & are taking these into account for developing future air to air missiles for PAK-FA.
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The F-22 uses other embedded sensors/antennas and systems to perform EW and other tasks..
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/docs/n19991027_991994.htm
BAE Systems Delivers F-22 Digital Electronic Warfare System
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/BAE_Systems_Delivers_F_22_Digital_Electronic_Warfare_System.html
I know it uses other systems for Jamming but not ALR 94 system for sure
why i asked that becoz the source which Jo posted mentions both EW & siginit aspect in relation to ALR 94 system
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MAKS-2013. Prospects for T-50 are associated with serious problems?
Demonstration of the fifth-generation fighter T-50 (PAKFA) at the Moscow air show MAKS-2013 showed that Russia has problems with adopting new front-line fighters the Air Force, writes janes.com August 29.
On the opening day on August 27 with the participation of the Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Medvedev planned to carry out the flight of all four instances of flight T-50, but the show was attended by only three cars. Analysts of the Russian aerospace industry and related structures of note that there are several obstacles that the T-50 must be overcome before it will be considered as a viable design, ready for serial production.
As technology demonstrator of the Su-47 (1990) T-50 should be an example of Russian industrial opportunities for the production of composite structures on a large scale and at a reasonable price. Nevertheless, more than 15 years, composite panels and other components of nodes T 50 are still made in “manual mode”. In order to bring the aircraft to a series, the production base factory in Komsomolsk-on-Amur (KNAAPO) needs substantial investment in modernizing equipment.
Today, T-50 flies on the same turbofan design 117S/AL-41F “Saturn” / KB them. Cradles, which are on the Su-35. This engine was developed in the late 1980s for the program 1.42 (IFIs) in size. Mikoyan, which was canceled. The development teams of “Salute” working on a new turbofan ed. 127/217 state that they have created a “concept and the core of the new engine.” An unnamed Russian military analyst at the Moscow Research Center reported INS Jane’s, that “will take several years to understand the design and build a new engine.”
Meanwhile, the third of the four prototypes of the T-50 is equipped with a new radar NO50 with active electronically scanned array (AESA) NIIP design (Scientific Research Institute of Instrument. Tikhomirov – approx. “VP”), which, according to representatives of some of the participating electronic companies, “in a test flight showed very encouraging and impressive results.” The dilemma is that the receiving and transmitting modules (APMs) for radar produced no commercial firm, as in the case of the radar “Zhuk-MA” AFAR, and on the research and production center “Source”, which produced microwaves and other technologies to Soviet weapons systems. “Source” is not able to produce antipersonnel mines in production scale, making them unprofitable in the current scheme of production, “the experts say.
In addition, the aircraft has not yet completed a full test program to validate the flight characteristics. There are a number of maneuvers for which algorithms control systems still need to be developed and validated.
One aspect of the T-50 program is to create on-board weapons within schedule and budget funding. August 28, General Director of “Tactical Missiles Corporation” (Tactical Missiles Corporation) Boris Obnosov spoke about the modernization of the existing and development of new-generation aircraft armament. Portages made a pretentious statement that creates new air combat missiles, whose characteristics will be better UR Meteor develop a European company MBDA.:highly_amused: However, Obnosov states that all samples of airborne weapons, created as part of the T-50, will also be included in the nomenclature of weapons of Su-35. Against this background, many Russian analysts expect that the Su-35 will be produced in larger quantities than planned, and will be the basis of Russian Air Force fighter aircraft, if enacting the T-50 will move away due to technical problems.
The leaders of the United Aircraft Corporation and the “dry” earlier promised President Vladimir Putin that the T-50 will be ready for commissioning by 2015. “It seems that there is no chance to survive this schedule, therefore, the price of the aircraft is expected to grow as a delay are taken into account in the overall cost of the program,” said one analyst.
MAKS-2013 was the first exhibition, which since his election to the presidency in 2000, Putin was absent. There are indications that it is a problem with the T-50 made a “contribution” in his decision not to attend the air show on the opening day.
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why dont u post this pic instead that looks more realistic:D
I wonder why russians are building foldable fins R 77 variants if 1 missile is going to be fit in 1 weapon bay
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