Originally posted by SD-10
That Zhuk were i think for J-8 some models. For J-10 Even FIAR GRIFO 2000 was offered according Janes. Which can be upgraded to AESA standard.
UAE F-16 are atleast 3 or 4 years away from being operational. And can you prove who will win actual contest if UAE pilot with F-16bLK62 faces Chinese Pilot in J-10 armed with PL-9C and SD-10.
Indigenous TVC engine which is lighter will further improve J-10 Performance.

Okay assuming the J-10 isn’t using Zhuk (although I still think this is the radar that will be in the J-10 for now).. how long will it take to get the Grifo 2000 to be upgraded to AESA standards? the Italians have yet to produce an AESA radar on their own, let alone the British and French who are still working on it.

And nope, I can’t prove it becuase I have repeatedly stated that there’s too many missing variables in the J-10 to make any kind of accurate assesment.

As for the TVC-Engine, how much fuel does it consume and how mature is it’s TVC technology?

Furthermore how well can the SD-10’s radar burn through the EW suite in either the Mirage or block 60, and how flare hungry is the PL-9C?

and at ranges it’s radar can pick up on the target’s RCS, that is something totally different than maximum radar range alone.

Originally posted by SD-10
No i just gave example. There are four modes of attack for SD-10 Missile. Read the SD-10 thread. And AIM-54 is not that bad missile. J-10 has 11 hard points. Greater weopon load. Better Design.

I took a look at that J-10 thread you mentioned.. that korean article (if that was the one you were referring to), simply mentions that they state the J-10 is superior to the F-16 and M2K..but doesn’t really explain HOW it is superior..all it mentions is radar range. but doesn’t mention what times of modes it functions in and how wel it handles under the EW suit the F-16 and M2K. And since we’re talking about the F-16 block 60 of UAE, then you have to factor in that it will be using an AESA vs the speculated Zhuk-M that the J-10 will be using.

Furthermore as for the SD-10, we have no idea of how well it’s radar will handle against countermeasures employed by these aircraft. Even sino defence http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/weapon/sd10.asp
mentions that parts of the SD-10 could be derived from the R-77 such as the seeker.. until then, there’s no winner here since there’s too many missing variables.

Originally posted by SD-10
I guess F-16BLK52+ and M2000-5 are similarly priced. And F-16BLK62 and M2000-9 are similarly priced. But who cares J-10 can blow both of them.

How so?

looks similar to one of McDonell Douglas’ preliminary designs for JSF (Before it merged)

I agree with Vortex.. what are those aircraft carrying?

is the Super Hornet’s range actualy less than the Gripens? is the Rafale’s range that close with the Flanker? I’m pretty sure there’s a factor of how much fuel and how many fuel tanks they’re carrying too.

Originally posted by mixtec
Vortex- It an argueable point whether advanced trainers like the T-50 are cost effective for well equiped AFs of wealthy nations. Im of the belief that if you have gripens, F-16s or rafales, that your money is better served just using the 2 seat versions of these fighters for LIFT. But if a so equiped AF wants to buy specialized LIFTs like the T-50, fine with me. Want Im trying to say though is that these new LIFTs are not a good choice for an underdeveloped nation to use as a low cost fighter, the way the F-5 has been used and is still being used.

I noticed you have a thing for the F-5, and I agree that it is quite a fighter and ideal for nations that can’t afford much..

however in this day and age.. I believe the T-50/A-50 is the closest thing to it.. after all the fighter variant of the Golden Eagle is intended to replace South Korean F-5s.. and among western supersonic fighters, it probably is the cheapest new build. Of course, it would meet stiff competition from an even cheaper FC-1.

Originally posted by mixtec
The operating costs of LIFTs are very high and require highly skilled, intensive maintenaince.

Could you add some more detail in this? such as examples of modern LIFT jets..