Originally posted by PhantomII
I don’t really share the same opinion on the Hawk that mixtec does, but I gotta say I’m somewhat wary of the T-50, Yak-130, M-346, and other new trainers, as they do seem to be overpriced even though very capable.

But I’d like to ask this.. what do you considered overprice? not many have answered this yet.. if you look at almost all the major western aircraft, they are all considered overpriced, the only exception would be used F-16s (but lets keep it to new build aircraft). the T/A-50 will be sold at 20 million.. whether it will change or not will be up to the future..but for now we’ll stick with this figure.. the aircraft is about 80% the weight and size of the Gripen which is around 30-40 million. on the subsonic side.. the M-346 is aimed to be at 15 million, with it’s Russian cousin between 12-15 million. According to Air International, the L159 is around 7m (although this figure is disputable).

the South Korean air force has placed a considerable order for the T/A-50 and the Hawk has already proved itself to be a big seller with India ordering a large number as well.

The only new trainers that haven’t been doing as well is the MiG-AT and M-346 which hasn’t secured a customer.

Also keeping in mind, unit price does not equal over all price.. while a T/A-50 may come close to a used MiG-29’s price.. the operating costs would probably be different.. not to mention that the Hawk, T/A-50 are still considerably cheaper than the F-16 and Gripen.

Originally posted by Himanshu
http://far-jar.com/

thanks!:)

good looking helicopter, almost as nice as the EH-101 in terms of looks.

Is Kazan building these helicopters?

Originally posted by Ja Worsley
Vietnam never fielded any F-5’s

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/f5_6.html

I’d like to see the

Rafale and Gripen: it’s possible since the Gripen can fit the M88 engines.

Su-34 and the Gripen

and

Rafale and the M-346: a nice euro combo along with Raf and Gripen..

or

Su-30 MKI/MKM and the T/A-50

I have to agree with the BugBurger here…

the dissonance in capabilities between the Gripen and the Eurocanards are not as big as that between the F-16 and the F-15, or MiG-29 and Su-3X..

for instance the range, although superior, is not as big as the range offered by true heavy weight fighters.. in terms of weapons.. at the moment I believe the Gripen is actually superior to both Eurocanards, especially since news has it that the Meteor will be fielded to the Gripen first!

However personally speaking.. I always wanted to see a Rafale/Gripen combo..since Saab claims the M88 engines can easily fit into the Gripen’s airframe.