mate if u haven’t realised…. the relationship between China and Vietnam is getting worse over the Nansha Islands problem.

its unlikely that Vietnam will be buying Chinese FC-1s fighters and JL-8 trainers

Actually I think it’s getting better.. if you can read Chinese check out this article I found on CDF (sorry for those who are unable to read it)

http://www.sina.com.cn 2004年06月30日18:52 新华网

　　新华网河内6月30日电 中越边界谈判中国政府代表团团长、外交部副部长王毅与越南政府代表团团长、外交部副部长、边界委主任武勇今天在河内分别代表本国互换了《中华人民共和国和越南社会主义共和国关于两国在北部湾领海、专属经济区和大陆架的划界协定》批准书。与此同时，两国外交当局也于今天就《中华人民共和国政府和越南社会主义共和国政府北部湾渔业合作协定》生效事互换了照会。至此，两个协定于今天同时生效。

　　越南政府副总理武宽会见了王毅，武宽表示，双方互换协定批准书以及两个协定生效是越中关系史上的一件大事，不仅将为北部湾营造和平稳定的环境，也将为推动越中两国睦邻友好与全面合作关系发展创造条件。王毅说，两个协定的签署和生效，是在两国领导人的关心和两国政府的指导下，双方共同努力的结果，有利于中越边界的和平与稳定，有利于北部湾地区的长治久安，有利于促进中越关系的进一步发展。王毅希望双方真诚合作，共同落实好两个协定，同时妥善处理在协定生效初期出现的新情况、新问题。

　　中国全国人大常委会和越南国会分别于今年6月批准了《中华人民共和国和越南社会主义共和国关于两国在北部湾领海、专属经济区和大陆架的划界协定》。

　　中越在签署北部湾划界协定的同时，还签署了《中华人民共和国政府和越南社会主义共和国政府北部湾渔业合作协定》，并约定两协定同时生效。今年6月，中国国务院和越南政府已先后核准了渔业合作协定。

which would essentially mean that almost every disputed border is solved, except for the Spratleys/Nansha, and then the issue over the Mekong River. Other than that.. there is far more positive interaction between the two than negative. But you’re right.. I don’t expect Vietnam to use any major weapons systems from China in the forseeable future.

Hey, politics aside, the French produce some really good hardware. Dassault’s aircraft have ever been very good multirole fighters. Make an good contract with Dassault, get some local maintenance capability and everything is fine. (Except you try to invade an close ally of France).

would you consider Russia a close ally of France?

TunAF L-59E ( 12 bought for 70 million dollars )

Are they new builds or used? if it’s new that’s a very good deal (approximately 5 mil for each)

😮

Will those additional 40 planes ever get to see the lights of day if and when
the Americans has already decided to dispatched 7 flat decks to the region along with some
2 dozen or so F-117 stealth fighters to the region in a sheer show of force???

No, the 7 carriers to the region was nothing more than a CMFer who’s generally over exaggerates things, when in reality the 7 were going to various areas.

Well Glenn, I’m sure you read my reply in the Basement forum.. perhaps the fastest way for them to develop a 5th generation fighter is probably to either imitate or use an existing design as their base (like how they normally would’ve).. and since there is a limited number of 5th generational types, and all being American (most Japanese weapons seem to at least appear similar to Western European types).. perhaps we’ll see a design that looks similar to the YF-23 I hope 😀 or even the Boeing JSF 😮

that’s a big if.

anyways, here was a model of one of the early FSX designs.. It was posted here originally, however I forgot whom was the poster who deserves the credit.

I sure do wish that this original concept went through.. judging by the model, it looks like it would’ve been a fighter about the size of the F-18. Like Golden Dragon said.. indigenous engines would’ve been a problem.. the only other alternatives during that scenario I can imagine, is using the Turbo-Union RB.199-34R

Hmm I was thinking about something similar with Japan. Since Japan needs to replace their F-15Js and F-4s with a 5th generation fighter. They would probably be ideal to make an aircraft like the YF-23..perhaps buy the blueprints.. as they seem to be able to “copy” numerous designs from elsewhere.. install an improved version of their AESA radar installed in the F-2.. and load it up with AAM-4s..

or for another alternative..

a Yak-141, installed with the latest Zhuk-M radar..seeing as how it seemed to use MiG-29s avionics..how about giving it the latest of MiG-29 avionics.

talwar updated his post in ACIG

Sorry for the bad things I did again guys…
Seems the thing is made from wood and plastic, for a motion picture called Stealth…

Actually no, they are not just simple unit prices. Look at the many deals, such as the intial Chinese, Indian, Indonesian and all kinds of other deals where everything is included. In the Brazilian deal, everyone tried going low, The Gripen was offered for 50mn, the Su-35 for 35mn and etc. They all included spares, support and all the other ****.

I was wondering where you got the figures for 50mn for the Gripen in the Brazilian deal, I’ve been looking high and low for some numbers and couldn’t find any, other than the expected value of the competition.