BREZHNEVWell it could possibly enter in service as convesional weapon, like US Tomahawk, probably with 1ton HE warhead. 2X200KTs of Meteorit means 2 Tomahawks. Finally I want to ask if more powerful nuclear warhead had the tomahawk of the Granit P-700?
BREZHNEVIf the program is dead and fealure why it is presented in MAKS-2007?, and also I want to ask if someone knows the specifications of this missile, I mean weight, warhead, diameter, how long it is etc. As far as I know the wair launhed version the Koala AS-19, is not a fealure, and is in service. Finally I want to ask if someone has any information about the Kh-101 long range cruise missile and the possibility to be used in “Admiral Nakhimov” and to Project 885 Yasen.
BREZHNEVIs any possibility for Meteorit – M to be used also as naval launched land attack cruise missile? I mean to be used with convesional warhead, and also to arm both Oscar II, and the modernized “admiral Nakhimov” alongside with the Onyx.
BREZHNEVI think that Ad. Masorin is a real dumber!!! In statements before the last one he said that the Russian navy will receive 3-4 nuclear powered aircraft carriers of 50000t each, and this means a CdG size not aircraft carrying frigates!!! It would be much better if the 2 older Kirovs would be converted as aircraft carrying vessels, just like the projects for the Iowa class in mid 80s.
I also read in a magazine called “WARSHIPS” that the project 885 Yasen will carry alongside with Yakhonts and Kh-101 long range cruise missiles, is that true? Also I read in another source that the “Admiral Nakhimov” will be armed with 72 Brahmos missiles!! Is it possible for Nakhimov to be installed on it a universal VLS for both atiship and land attack missiles?
BREZHNEVI am profesional in Soviet/Russian navy. 😉 So I have to say that project 1153 was the progenitor of project 1143.5 “Asmiral Kuznetsov”. The Kuznetsov was a slightly smaller solution because the soviet navy had not developed in satidfactory level the technology of catapelts, and thats why the project 1143.5 kuznetsov is “sky jumped”. The 1153 was much smaller than the mighty project 1161 “Oryol” which was designed in 1972 – before the constuction of Kievs- and 1153, was cancelled because of lach of “know how” for catapults. If you see even the nuclear powered “Ulianofsk” of project 1143.7 was sky jumped because of …. lack of catapults.
BREZHNEVThe project 885 SSN & Kh-101/102 long range cruise missile
I find an article in wikipedia about the new SSN which is under development the project 885. The wikipedia sais clearly that the “severodvinsk” will be equiped with the new kh-101/102 cruise missile of 5000km! Please if is possible to I want to have a comment or further information about that. Is possible for the Russian navy to obtain new land attack capabilities? Moreover please I want to ask if the “Admiral Nakhimov” after modernization will carry also cruise missiles and finally if the SS-N-21 Granat is in service now and if the Kh-101 will replace it.
BREZHNEVThe Klub is a very useful, but for my logig Brahmos is much better. Klub is mainly a subsonic weapon (I mean only the 3M54& 3M14), so is easier for a vessel to deal with the 3M54. The land attack missile has a very small range so the indian vessel should go to close to the enemy coast and close to the enemy land based antiship missiles. As for the antiship 3M54 is subsonic and short ranged so I dont know what is the main advandage of Brahmos. The big warhead (400kg) is the same destructive as the Brahmos 300kg warhead because in Brahmos you have to add the kinetic energy too.
Is it true what I post above for the project 885 SSN and the possibility for that to carry also the navaized version of Kh-101? (wikipedia source),and if someone has to add something.
BREZHNEVObviously the klub 3M14 is for export reasons limited at 300km according to international threaties.But as I read there are rumors that India intends to modify the Brahmos in Brahmos II with 1000km range. 300KM range means that a vessel with such missile has to come too close to the enemy coastline in order to fire the missile. Moreover the Klub is subsonic while Brahmos in its current range 300km is supersonic. So I predict that the Klub will be an export failure… The only vessels that will carry the Klub is the current Talwar class. More over the new land attack cruise missile of the russian navy will be probably the KH-101 of 5000km, especially the project 885 SSN maybe will carry them. I wish Nakhimov will carry them…just read this!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graney_class_submarine
As for 3M14 this missile has excactly the same dimentions with SS-N-21 and US tomahawk.
read this: here are the dimections and specifications of Klub missiles:
http://www.nti.org/db/nisprofs/russia/exports/general/expmsl.htm
BREZHNEVSNAKE 65 Sorry, I am a little but confused. The 9M96E and 9M96E2 missiles, are considered members of S-300 family? If they have 120km range what is their difference from the Rif-5V55R, 48N6E and 48N6E2? As for the SSM is possible for the 22350 to cerry 16 Brahmoc instead of Onyx. Brahmos is mush more capable missile than the original Onyx. As for 20380 I think that is too extreme scenario a corvette to be armed with 120 km ranged AAW missile!! I think that is more possible to be armed with Brahmos/Onyx instead of Uran and Sthil in plase of Kastan CIWS. Please if is possible ask your friend in Russian navy if they intend to develop a larger vessel than the 22350 -a DDG- and if he know when the second 22350 will start to lay down, and the name of the second 22350 hull “Admiral ?????”.
BREZHNEVFrom the picture with the VLS line drawing above I have to make some comments and questions also. The longer VLS lauchers for Yakhont are 4 or 16? Each one will carry 4 or 1 missile? seems to be one missilex 4 x1=4 Yakhonts. So the 22350 will carry only 4 Yakhonts not 8 that the officials metioned 🙁 Seems to me the hole 22350 a 4500t bull…t.. Does any knows the range of the Sthil missile VLS version that is under development for the 22350? This line drawing is NOT universal VLS system because has different launhcers (long and short) for SSMs and AAW missiles. Univesal means a single launcher for all missiles and purposes, like the US MK-41, which takes on (SM/2/3/6,Tomahawks,ASROC ESSM).
Snake 65 do you have the comlete linedrawing of the vessel or this that you posted only with the VLSs
BREZHNEVFirstly, because my knowledge is limited what is the Antey-2500 ? is linked with the S-400? Has any relation? Secondly I want to ask if the Russian navy has under development a universal VLS system equal to MK-41 & MK-57 of USN for installation to Nakhimov, Project 22350 and future DDGs. Lastly if someone have linedrawings of the project 24 Battleships please to poste me.
BREZHNEVIs possible now the “naval” version of S-400 to be under development for installation to “Admiral Nakhimov” and to future large surface combattants? Does any one has a picture of the launcher of S-400 system? As for S-500 I think that is only a fantasy, but I have to add that: http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/87851-russian_weapon-0
what is this “superweapon”??? Will be seabased also?
BREZHNEVyou should really rest with the pr. 1165. …………….. Just relax and wait untill something pops up (and it will if it is to come)…
Sir Collevainen, I am deeply sorry if I were too annoying to you but the curiosity some times make the people a little bit “headache” to the other:) . Ι have to say that any one knows the shape of “what if ” vessels like “Ulianovsk” or at the previous pages of the forum the nuclear powered destroyer “Anchar” this project the 1165 was a project very mysterious, but great and it would be the strogents and greatest warship in the world anlogside with the “exotic” German battelship project H44 (of cource not in that side!!). But sir coli, imagine the firepower of 2 kirovs in one!!!! I am asking here because I know that anyone here and of cource you Collivainen, are naval experts with a lot of times greater knowledge than me.
The 1165 is a true not my imagination:
1165 Abortive 1970 cruiser with 32-48 P-700 missiles. Project name Fugas from
http://vmk.vif2.ru/fleets/Russia/projects/Battleships.files/Russian_projects1.htm
With full respect L.I.Brezhnev
BREZHNEVGranit uses a 930kg HE warhead. Not sure about Tomahawk.
Doubling speed would probably require at least initially a high flight profile and probably scramjet propulsion. It would be a large weapon, but also rather capable.
But as an antiship weapon Granit is more destructive than the old antiship Tomahawk. I am sure that a single Granit can easy sing a Ticoderoga class destroyer. I read about an abadoned land attack missile with the same dimentions as Granit the Meteorit -M P-750 which never entered in service, it would be supersonic and merged with range 2500km. So what limits Granit in 500km range? Its fuel? Further more I read that Granit has 750 kg warhead not 930. The improved Granit will have the same code P-700 or a different one?. Note that the early Moskit has as P-80 as code and the improved the P-270. At my point of view a supersonic land attack weapon is more diffucult be be shuted down. The admirals of Russian navy has in their mind to maintain Granit in service or to replace them all with Onyx? Finally Garry B , sorry for my repeat but do you know anything about the project 1165. Thanx at all.
BREZHNEVAll I have read is faster and double the range.
This means approx 1000km!!! range. So is easier to be land attack weapon also. Imagine both Tomahawk and Granit as land attack weapons. I believe that Granit would be more destructive weapon than Tomahawk in land attack weapon. Am I right in this??? What is the weight of conversional warhead of both tomahawk and Granit?
So improved Granit will be a Russian “semistrategic” weapon only in Russian Hands NOT for export.
Do you know what exactly will be the new armament of Nakhimov, improved Granit on it?? Furthermore do you know anything about the project 1165 nuclear missile cruiser “Fugas”? It was a “supercruiser” and finally do you have any information about the future Russian DDG does it has any number project “project 2????”. Thanx at all GARRY B your knowledge and information are very valuable.
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