TO SFERRIN: The gun armed heavy cruisers of “Boston” class like Helena & Toledo that you have already mecioned, were not Regulus II armed ships, they fired them experimentally. These ships were not modernized in order to fire them. They had not stable lauchers and the missile was not part of their armament. At the same base of thinking the US navy had a V2 armed carrier because experimentally they fired the V2 from a carrier. The only gun armed cruisers wich modified to AAW missile ships were the USS “Boston” and “Cambera” with Terrier, and the USS “Albany” totaly recostracted as Talos missile ship. The only gun armed ships that fitted with ASMs and cruise missiles were the Lowa class battleships.
On the other hand only soviets inteded to built MISSILE AND GUN armed battleships, the project 23NU successor of the prewar project 23 and the super battleship project 24 . Also were under construction the “Stalingrad” project 82R which after Stalin’s death the suppermoron Khruchev scrapped as it was incomplete hull.

SFERRIN: You are right about line drawing of Regulus II I didn’t notice that this was a II, I thought that was the Regulus I.But you will agree with me that the most powerful warwead ever carried from SEA BASED CRUISE missile is the Granit’s 500kt warhead. This could easily sink a entire CBG not only a single carrier. RegulusI has the half length of Regulus II, “only” 9.60 m so is comperable wo the Sandbox/Saddock family.

Do you have any evidence of this?
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The Kh-90 has nothing to do with the rumored Granit-2. Granit -2 seems to be a surface launched weapon and the KOALA Kh-90 is a airlaunched weapon. Only air-launched is the Kh-90.

Here is one of hundreds sources that prooves what I say:
http://warfare.ru/?catid=263&linkid=2084

The Kh-90 is the air launched (Koala code name) variant of Meteorit and in contrast to Meteorit is fully operational. Has the rumored Granit – 2 any code 3M??, and does any knows the range of this missile, and if has any land attack capability?

I think that the Regalus is the US alternative of the Saddock and especially of the P-7 variant wich was the land attack version. The Regalus developed in early 1950s and was primed with a range of 1500km , -The P-7 had only 800km range-, but the americans hadn’t any interesting in naval cruise missiles this period and a newest version -The Regalus -2 was cancelled if Iam right-. The US thinking at this time said that the main “naval weapon” for us is the planes onboard of our aircraft carries. Note that in 1960s they have’nt any surface to surface or any land attack cruise missile. In mid 1970s considered the value of the naval cruise missile and they started to develop the Harpoon SSMs and his “Big Brother” the Tomahawk. Note that in 60s the Talos , the Tartar, and the Terrier -especially the nuclear tipped Talos- used also in Antiship duties. The line Drawing of Regalus I think that is in larger scale than the Russian missiles. The Regulus programm had no more development and continue in 60s and there was no naval cruise missile programm in USN until the first appearance of harpoon and tomahawk in mid 1970s, for antiship and land attack duties.

THE RUSSIAN FAMILIES OF ANTISHIP/CRUISE NAVAL MISSILES

THE BAZALT/SANDBOX FAMILY

The Bazalt “family” are in codes: SS-N-3 Sandbox: (P5,P6 for subs, P7 for land attack, P35 for surface vessels) SS-N-12: (P-500) for both surfaced only subs and surface ships. There is a confusion in bibliography some times in witch some times the P-35 is named as Bazalt, and this is wrong. Only P-500 is called as “Bazalt”. I forgot to mention the new member of the family: P-1000 Vulkan of 700km with lighter warhead and without any SS-N- CODE.

THE GRANIT FAMILY

The Granit P-700, is the “big brother” a several missiles with the same philosophy which is different from SANDBOX. Granit derives its development from the SS-N-7 which is a short range ASM submarine lanched and its surface version which called SS-N-9 siren on bord of Nanutchcas corvettes.
Both SS-N-7 and SS-N-9 are very old missiles and the new replacement for them is the Yakhont. Yakhont is the “Baby Granit” if is right this comparizon. The Yakhont is a short ranged ASM (290 km) appropriate for exports, and thats why the limit of 290km. Yakhont has a cousin in India the Brahmos which have also the ability of land attack in shore targets. There is a rumor of Brahmos 2 with 1000km range. Yakhont can be fitted from a small attack craft like Scorpio to large FFG like the 22350. There are several choises. Tube laucher or VLS. also can be fired from submarines underwater, from TTs of 650mm encapsulated or from VLS as in Severodvinsk SSN.
I forgot to say that is a rumor of Granit-2 witch I wish to be truth,- as I read in several chatrooms, – not only here, and I think it will be also a land-attack weapon.
(If someone has any info on Granit – 2 missile I want to share with us )
It is Obvious that the Granit and the Yakhont are both UNIVERSAL missiles which means that can be fired from surface or from underwater. (Note that in SFERRIN’S photo the ECHO-2 SSGN needs to be surfaced in order to lauch the Bazalt, and in that case opperates as a surface vessel).

TIMELINE:1960-70
SS-N-9/7

Late 1970s -mid 1980s
SS-N-19 Granit

1990 – 2006
Yakhont/Brahmos
For me the Sandbox/Bazalt is useless because Granit is much more superior, and the best choise is a combination of Granit and Yakhont missiles only.

SS-N-22 MOSKIT

It is considered as a separate category at its own, and has the same mission and purpose as the Yakhont, but unfortunately the Soviet navy choose it instead of Yakhont. Yakhont is much more “compact” missile, with smaller size and greater abilities.

SS-N-25 URAN (harpoonsky”

Needless to say anything. This is an excact copy of harpoon missile , and I don’t know the use of this missile, at the same time russian navy operates missiles of short range with greater abilities. The was a “perestroika times” missile and all the Gorbatsev’s morons had this “briliant idea” copy the haroon missile.

SS-N-21 SAMPSON/ SS-N-27 CLUB Family

The SS-N-21 3M10 if I am correct is the Russian alternative of Tomahawk cruise missile with the same playload (200kt) and a little bit greater range: 3000km
The missile was developed in 1980s.

The SS-N-27 Club missile of (3M14Land attack & 3M54 Antiship) are limited of 200-220 km range because of export purpose. The club system opperates with Indian Navy only onboard Talwar FFGs.

The EXOTIC SS-N-24, P-750 GROM!

With size similar to Granit these would be a supersonic strategic land attack missile of 4000km! The missile planned to merged with 2 seperated warheads of 100kt. I think that this would be only a submarine weapon, but the idea of P-750 armed Kirovs instead of Granit sounds to me briliant!!!! Unfortunately the Gorbatsev era MORONS cancelled it.
Is any possibility that Granit – 2 to be a strategic alternative of the cancelled p-750???

NEPTUNE: Is complete madness to modenize the “Ochakov”!!! This is an early 70’s ship!! I don’t understand why they prefer to modernize a 35 year old ship, which is a real hulk and not the “Admiral Lazarev” which is much more valuable ship and is a Mid-80s ship. Admiral Lazarev can be easily considered as the Pacific fleet’s flagship.

What is B-380?

NEPTUNE the Greatest Ship ever built in the world is the Norgeian Suderduper Tanker! “Seawise giant”. Do you have any photo from her? Any image? Is now operational?