Well its one thing to say it and another to have it ready on ones aircraft..anyway for an aircraft like the super flanker it really wouldnt matter as RCS from all aspects is extremely high. the point examplifies how the raptor pilot is transformed from a system manager to a tactician..Now he knows his weapons reach,his enemies position and looking at a favourable chart he could either chart a cource which presents the least RCS to the enemy etc etc I dont know about you harry but jeez if i was flying a fighter i would kill for such situational awareness.

The Super Flanker can be extensively RAM treated
And by charting out the RCS extensively and loading the polar plot on the display, its not hard to come up with similar stuf

Dont keep waiting, hes the shoot and scoot type :rolleyes:
Am still waiting for the details of the used Su30 MKs supplied to India which he said earlier :rolleyes:

Swerve,

The RCS of the F-22 is VLO- all aspect
In practical terms, it is termed Bowtie (minimal from front/ back, larger at sides)
But even then, I would wager that it is definitely max of 0.1 Sq Mtr

(Unless USAF hyped as much as Eurofighter PR, which first stated that its fighter was second only to Raptor in RCS but recently were forthright in saying 1/10th of F-15 so ~ 1 Sq Mtr. Everest Ricconi says this is true and says RCS blows up from other angles! But we dont know for surety, so lets assume worst case, since per USAF pr and even pilot accounts, F-15s and F-16s are getting their collective butts kicked by Raptors)

Using MIDS, Raptors cued by AWACS will only present most stealthy aspect to enemy, and onboard mission planning system (realtime) will definitely chart out a path between emitting zones (thats where ALR 94 comes in), then attempt to launch AMRAAMS in LPI mode

Qn: Can midcourse guidance be given in LPI?

IIRC, the long range missile made by Novator is KS 172 and not R 172 and this missile is supposed to be an AWACS killer.

There are various desigantion bandied about
KS-172
R-172
RS-172

So take ur choice!

AWACS killer, yes- but its only missile which will be able to field large powerful seeker currently lacking in Russian inventory

Also, if by saying that a Meteor has a “lock-on” range of 80 km, do you mean that a Meteor radar could go active at 80 km, you are wrong. Most modern fighter radar can’t obtain a lock-on at 80 km with their 3-5 kW radar (weighting some 150-200 KG). How on earth a small radar in the tip of a 180 kg missile (Meteor) could detect a fighter at 80 km??? The latest AAMs (AIM 120, R 77, Mica) will go active at ~ 20 km.

Yes I meant detect but memory played tricks- its 80km against large target

Edefense says this:
Meteor Approaching
Arming the Typhoon, Rafale, and Gripen
by Michal Fiszer
Feb. 8, 2006

Missile guidance for the Meteor is provided by an active radar seeker, for which MBDA Italy is the design authority, benefiting from enhanced technologies drawn from the MBDA Aster and Mica missile programs. On June 17, 2003, a contract was signed with Thales Airborne Systems (Paris, France), to develop the seeker, drawing on technology from the Thales 4A family used in Mica-EM and Aster 15/30 missiles. At the signing, it was announced that MBDA and Thales would produce seekers for more than 6,000 missiles in total. The Meteor’s Ku-band (NATO: X band) seeker is to be a more advanced version of the 4A family but will still use much of the technology of the original Mica EM/Aster seeker. The seeker is to be more resistant to electromagnetic jamming and operate in stealthier ( “silent”) mode than the seekers of the Mica EM and Aster missiles. It is said to have a tremendous range of 80 km (when large air targets are tracked), but the exact figures are classified and cannot be confirmed by industry or by MoDs in the partner nations.

So yes, a lock on might occur at only a 10-20 km-max (playing around with 10 mtr sq to 20 for lareg targets and going to 0.01)

Still my original point is that it will require a very powerful AAM to stand a chance of locking on to the Raptor

Br.-On,

We are saying the same thing, in different ways

if RCS of RAPTOR is .01 sq M

A Meteor seeker (80 km vs 5 sq mtr) will be able to lock on (perhaps) at 15 km (Square law)
And iRBIS may be able to detect at 40-50 km, so a way has to be found to use AWACS data (since above is def not good enuff) and transmit via radar for midcourse update to get AAM till at least few km for lock on

Meanwhile field more Flankers than Raptors, and have as good ECM as possible and try to kill the AWACs

My 2 cents

(Assuming we are trying to defeat the Raptor, somehow)

(All above is hypothetical)

Nice link

http://www.eurofighter.com/Interactive/MissionPlanner/question1.asp

-And believe it or not it even has 5th generation technology integrated onto it

Now imagine having 150+/200+ of these planes and heck, the ranges will dramatically increase with the introduction fo new radars,equipment and not to mention weapons. The most improvement i’ve seen is the F-U-L-L-Y digital cockpit (glass cockpit) with no guage in sight. Also they have made such wonderful achivements including the time when the Divertless Intake System was first bought forth. The best part it ofcourse the one and only design which is ‘un-deniably’ VERY SEXY!

I can understand your excitement but some of the above statements are too rosy, dare I say it.
There are a whole lot of other variables there as well. Upgrading a/c is possible, but comes with a huge price tag. Nor is it clear that China is happy with other OEMs trying to integrate its SD10 etc so that may rule out other radars.

20 or 32, who cares? It’s a minor number and it’s not even the plane in question here.

Read the original post, the question was posed concerning the F-22 and the Super Flanker with the originally poster correctly naming the Su-35 against the American plane.

It’s just silly nationalism to bring in the MKI because you think it is more “super” than the Su-35. Both planes are built in Russia anyways.

Please cease and desist with your attacks
Much the same can be said of Chinese Flankers

If you dont have anything useful to contribute, than dont contribute at all

Making comments about My Flanker is bigger than yours or attempting to “put the MKI ppl in their place” are useless

Sigh

@Nick 76

Disadvantages are jammable and radiating out energy which can be detected by the enemy. But I doubt enemy jammers will jam the Typhoon’s small MAW radars, they don’t threat the enemy, however it would be possible.

On the other hand the active MAWs are weather independent and can effectivley track a missile even if its rocket motor has burned out. More important is the fact that with such active MAWs you are able to gain more data about the missile approaching. In the Eurofighter for example the pilot sees where the enemy missile(s) is/are and the system automatically suggests the best evasive maneuvers and when the pilot has to fly them. In combination with highly effective automatically controlled CM the Typhoon has good chances to defeat enemy missiles. But that just for info.

Thanks about the information about MKIs MAW. Hope it’s right maybe we find a reliable source for that.

Thank you..!

More interesting than the MAWS is automated defence system for suggesting manouevers..do you have a source or more in depth article explaining it?
It would take a huge database of tactics, plus heavy onboard computing for it to pull all that out in realtime?

Other thing SAfrican in MKI is its health and fatigure monitoring system, which is funnily, same company and system for both EF and MKI 😮