The term “Super Flanker” is Russian industry’s tab for the SU-35 and its later variant, the Su-37.

Trying to crowbar the name into another flanker variant just because you think it is more “super” is childish. If the Russians do go ahead with their own definitive variant, you can bet it would be better than any of the monkey versions sold elsewhere. So let’s stick to the Su-35.

As neither the F-22 and Su-35 are in service right, they are up for discussion.

Golden Dragon, if ur Chinese nationalism doesnt allow u to contribute productively then dont post, kindly.

It is a fact that Irkut ppl referred to MKI as Super Flanker, I know for a fact

No big issue

But when you throw such comments around like u did, it shows a bad attitude and ur intent to cause a flame war. So if u have nothing to add, bide ur peace

The F-22 is by far the more advance design. There is no stealth or super cruise in the Su-35. For all its attributes, the Flanker is from the same generation as the F-15. The generation that the F-22 is replacing in the US.

Everyone knows this
Ppl were just discussing how a Su-3XX could theoretically take on a Raptor

Good info but let us look more

– avionics system is all digital and fully integrated
– distributed structure, two independent but exchangeable (can back-up each other) STD-MTL-1553B data buses connected all equipment, plus two powerful control computers (also can back-up each other). Each computer controls one data bus
– only very recent airplanes such as F-16 E/F have similar structure and powerful computers

All modern fighters are having this

– the detecting range for a typical air target of RC 3 square metter is > 75 km; looking down range is > 45 km; range for sea target is > 135 km
– it has digital map, and is going to have 3D digital map.

Good but not as good as latest Russian, French or Euro radar
Interesting that figure appear similar to India in development MMR, now who knows IAF may look for upgrade ?

First statement in original statement is prolly the reason why PAF choose it, coz otherwise SD10 codes wont be given by China

– JF-17 also has an “focused interference system”, which can beam the enegy on one direction (i.e. attacking missile’s guiding system) to distrub it. By doing this, a small equipment can have the same impact as a large electronic warfare airplane in that particular direction. Initially FJ-17 / Fc-1 did not have this system. However, in view of the fact that Pak’s potential enemy is IAF equiped with Su-30 & R-77 missiles, CAC add this system into the plane. As of today, non india airplane has such system nor do PAk’s f-16s.

India has range of jammers- French, Israeli, Indian,

Pakistan has French and US jammers

above is marketing material, since end result is performance, how many missiles can a system jam and how powerful- capable it is, not just method used

– JF-17 / FC-1 has a computer controlled infra-red interference bullet (missile?) system, which automatically calculate the right timing (based on the rsult of detecting system) to release the interference bullets to maximaze the impact. Only recently released airplanes such as F-22 / Rafale have such system. Even F-18E/F and F-16 E/F need further upgrading to acquire such capacity.

Dont know what article is saying here, but MAWS triggered flares are in most ac

The “Super FLANKER” is the Su-27M/Su-35. Given that this is just the aircraft the F-22A was designed to defeat, I’d say the chances of the FLANKER are very slim. As to how many are actually in service, I think the Russian Knights dispaly team still has their five aircraft. That’d be it.

Only actual Super Flanker in service is MKI, it is also planned to keep getting upgrades, so in my opinion, Harrys opinion is correct

Also we know, Russia has plans for now (Su35BM) but this might not be really in production in future (who knows)

Russian upgrade of fighter with Irbis radar, new glass cockpit, jammers, RWR is possible, but they might not take TVC (cost)

So, actually MKI, MKM and (perhaps) MKA are actual Super Flankers But only MKI is already mentioned for negotiations on further upgrade plans

If used properly, Super Flanker may have chance against the F-22, but as part of whole group (AWACS, group of Flankers, datalink..)..but F-22 is different kind of beast so one on one, of course Flanker is at almost impossible disadvantage in BVR

Missile attack warning radar and towed radar decoys, I believe fitted to SU-35 NOT!!!, A Typhoon may not see the Raptor, but I think it will see the AIM-120 coming towards it and be able to avoid at least a couple of missiles. Raptor moves into visual range. Typhoon’s IRST and AIM 132 ASRAAM (which I do believe is an Imaging IR weapon) gives the aircraft a bit of a chance. I’d still put my money on the Raptor winning in the end, however.

Many su-35 with irbis and datalink may have a chance
With your comparison, even Su35s IRST and R73 version be ok
Both planes have a problem- range of IRST, planes range needs to be determined with collimated laser and that will alert F22 MAWS

MAWS is typically not radar but passive sensor
MKI , MKM has MAWS so not a big issue to have Su 35 get it
Towed decoys- can also be bought from companies

That first – nearest chopper has a sea eagle?

How low do Bones fly ?

Sorry Garry u didnt get my point. Combat power is highly dependent on training also and the rssians have slept off there
why not train harder or at least get it up halfway- even if not 180 hrs, then something like 100 or thereabout with simulator time
now its only nukes and stuff fr non conventional forces
Also, if intention is to go slow n procurement and revitalise economy, per my russian frnds thats also not happening
All thats going on is that oil money/ boom is being used for “stability” but long term revitalisation of economy is not being done anywhere like what china/india did
Upgrading is ok, but per even russians themselves, resizing and rationalising the still huge n unweildy forces wud help, mothballing the rest for now till things improve
problem is that russian generals have to be kept happy so there is lot of manpower and eqpt which cant be maintained to optimum at current funding just lying there, but superpower era ego wont let gnerals mothball it and rationalise to smaller force but maintian/ train to top standard or even general competency
there is a force which is relatively ok and combat trained even (siome form chechnya) but its too small and bulk of force is bad
russian conscript system is broken, brutality is such that yng ones dont wanrt to join but again reforms have not been serious,y attempted

All in all for someone interested in watching russia retake its place as a top power its depressing