Nick_76But isn’t the Gripen not too much the same class as the LCA ???
Yes, which is why because of which (and its US content), its the weakest contender of the lot for the MRCA requirement.
The SAAB consortium are offering the Gripen NG which is more beefed up and “heavier” in terms of payload than the LCA,but frankly- against the likes of the MiG, EF, Rafale, F/A-18, F-16 – it has little chance:
Rough ranking:
Combat capability (sensors, payload, range, munitions)- Tier 1: EF, Rafale, F/A-18 E/F, Tier 2: MiG-35, F-16 Block whatever, Gripen NG
MiG-35 could move to say Tier 1.5 if the Russians include their indevelopment new gen weaponry- especially AAMs.
Transfer of Tech: Tier 1: MiG-35. Tier 2: EF, Rafale Tier3: Gripen, F/A-18 E/F, F-16
Gripen in last because significant third party content they cant offer tech for, eg engines
Life cycle cost (not too sure about this): Tier 1: Gripen, Tier 2: F-16, MiG-35 Tier 3: F/A-18, EF, Rafale
Politics: US>> Russia (thanks to the nuke deal) >> Europe >> Sweden
IAFs strategic interest of vendor diversification, lack of sanctions: Tier 1: EF, Rafale Tier 2: Gripen, MiG-35 Tier 3: F-16, F/A-18 E/F
As you can see, its a right royal mess. :diablo:
Nick_76TP Huang, the article mentions a MKI Mk4, any more details ?
Nick_76Well SLL has it correct. With the 5G program, dont see much of a need for the F-35 for now. Ideally, if the JSF was already ready, should have ditched the MRCA and gone for the JSF.
Nick_76Thanks Jagan-is this a HAL MKI Mk3?
There was a pic of a flying MKI with 75 painted on it- the same aircraft as in above?, it was taken from the side as the aircraft was banking and showed the entire top airframe. Do you have that?
There seemed to be new protrusions on top of that extended “stinger” that comes out between the engines.
Nick_76Nothing much just outlines HAL, Sukhoi colaberation. 65 MKI orders confirmed.
Sukhoi have no idea the porgress of J-11B production.
While sukoi can not have gained through J-11B, they can with HAL.
2004-2005 2 MKI assembled. 2005-2006 6 assembled. 2006-march 2007 13 assembled. indiginization of parts at 80% after 2009 they hoped to be 100%
indiginized but recently India considered ordering parts for Hydraulic systems as local production would be too expensive. Indian media reported the possibility of increasing the payment by 350 million to include parts. 2008 will also produce 13 MKI. Total production will cease in 2014, 3 years ahead od schedual.
Hallo, thank you. The article mentions Su-30 MKI Mk4- could you state what it says there? Kanwa visited AI-2007, which is probably where this data is from.
Nick_76Thanks to Rakall at BR for first scanning and uploading this to the internet..
http://www.airpower.at/news07/0410_mig-35/Phazotron_aero-india_2007.pdf
Nick_76The MKIs we have pictures of so far appear to be the Russian built birds, the MAWS installation would be done in India, and not Russia. In squadron service, HAL MKI Mk3s are the ones to watch.
Is there a large sized picture of the MKI with 75 painted on it, for the IAFs 75th anniversary?
Thanks in advance
Nick_76alright, if you can read this, (we can get other Chinese readers to coroborate on this) this is from Kanwa’s previous contacts with sukhoi. This is from the latest edition of kanwa
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1411/37rb2.jpg
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1057/38zs8.jpg
more specifically the second picture, where kanwa is surprised that sukhoi has o clue how many J-11Bs are getting produced and cannot possibly get anything out of this.
Can you translate this Tphuang?
It seems to be focused on the MKI from AI-07.
Thanks
Nick_76The MKI, does it have MAWS or LWS?
MAWS according to what has been publically mentioned. LWS could be a possibility as well. The Avitronics MAWS and LWS are both available to India and ADA has integrated them into a Self defence suite with the R118 RWR.
Nick_76Pit,
Could you post more on what the source said?
Nick_76they’ve already built and flown a 1000+ module antenna, the reason why they moved back down to 690 modules isnt because they couldnt fit more modules, but because they dont have the processing power in the computer to handle 1000 modules. They flew with a 1000+ module prototype to test for overheating and it apparently wasnt a problem.
Well PiBu says no, and what PiBu says: I believe. Makes life simple, no? 🙂
Ok lets see it this way, suppose it was indeed flown and it exists..suppose it is possible that they flew the 1000 mdoule prototype, and somehow I do recall that it did overheat or that heating was a problem- this was mentioned in that PDF they released at AeroIndia (PiBu correct me if I am wrong). Which is why they went to a ~680 module radar next.
Anyways…they will have to come up with a new module design for the future so , thats what this is all about. Not to mention making a true AESA set, not the current hybrid. Coming up with s/w to use the ESA abilities etc etc.
What they want from India is a processor for the computer, not module miniturization tech. There are 5 new fabs being built in Russia now, as someone said earlier in the thread, so if you wait a year they will probably have a Russian processor for the radar with or without India.
Actually, they can do it now without India, or even later. I dont think that was the point of what I said.
What is clear is that Phaza is willing to give Indian developers the joint role in improving the radar- this is a good step from the POV of winning the support of the Indian R&D community.
Coming to manufacturing, India is very adept at using COTS- perhaps that was what was meant in terms of manufacturing, either way who cares- if both work on it, manufacturing would be a joint responsibility.
In terms of Tx/Rx modules, India is working on its own modules for its LCA so perhaps that could be leveraged in this program.
Nick_76This is Indias own datalink project- the Link II developed by DRDO/BEL for the Indian Navy and being used by them, now being checked out by the Indian Air Force..given that it was used to link Indian ships and Ka-31s(!) together, its probably going to be used for the IAF ADGES as well..
http://www.bel-india.com/BelWebsite/index.aspx?q=§ionid=217
Nick_76These are a few of the otherwise low publicity items developed by the DRDO and its partners, revealed at AeroIndia:
Gallery:
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/Display_Stalls/DRDO_Radar_Eletronics/
Airborne ESM System – already on some 20 odd Navy platforms
Shipborne version
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/Display_Stalls/DRDO_Radar_Eletronics/P1010660.jpg.html
Theres a more powerful suite with jammer, thats still not been revealed
Then this is the Tarang 2 on the MKI
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/Display_Stalls/DRDO_Radar_Eletronics/P1010664+RWR.jpg.html
Compare to Tarang 1– 4 modules got reduced to 1
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/Display_Stalls/DRDO_Radar_Eletronics/P1010662.jpg.html
This is the DRDO Tx/ Rx module for the AWACS (8 channels per module)
This is the IFF for the AWACS
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/Users/Arun_S/Brochures/Centre+for+Airborne+Systems+-+Airborne+IFF+Interrogator.jpg.html
Nick_76It was a paper presented at Aero India, earlier this year.
For instance, this is another one- note how he talks of “will be”, when a lot of the work is already done/ underway, the Shakti is to come out this year, the IADS has already been flight tested on an ALH etc etc.
HC– 1/2
ADVANCED LIGHT HELICOPTER – MARK-II
ABSTRACT:
The Advanced Light Helicopter – DHRUV has been designed and developed by HAL. It is a multi role and multi mission helicopter in the 4.5 to 5.5 tons category. All critical systems like Hydraulic, Engine, AFCS, instrumentation etc. are duplex to make the DHRUV a safe helicopter to fly.Currently the DHRUV has a conventional cockpit and caters to utility roles. The Military Skid version was certified in March 2002 and Military Wheel version was certified in February 2003. The Civil Variant with retractable wheel was certified in October 2003, with skids was certified in July 2004 and with fixed wheel in April 2005.
Based on feed back from field operations and new requirements the DHRUV is being upgraded. The planned up gradation will make the ALH more user friendly and versatile.
The conventional cockpit will be replaced by a system called an Integrated Architecture and Display System (IADS). The Avionics will be integrated through a common controller. This along with the Display System will result in de-cluttering of the cockpit and reduced pilot workload.
A higher-powered engine called “Shakti” will replace the currently fitted TM3332B engines from Turbomeca. This is being co-developed by HAL & Turbomeca. This Engine will provide better payload capability at high altitudes and also meet the weapon delivery requirements above 3km.
Helicopters are prone to vibration. Currently the ALH is fitted with floor mounted FRAHM dampers and the ARIS. An Active Vibration Control System (AVCS) will replace these. This will result in lower vibratory loads and a reduction in weight & cost.
An Optimized Transmission System is under testing, which eliminates the Auxiliary Gear Box and provides increased central oil sump in the Main Gear Box. This will result in better lubrication and reduced number of components.
The current Tail Rotor Blades are being redesigned using pre-preg Technology. This will provide consistency in quality and simplicity in manufacture.
To provide Online Health Monitoring of the structure and systems, a Health & usage Monitoring System (HUMS) is being developed. This would provide, critical information to compute residual life and advance warning with respect to failure and exceedance of loads.
These up-gradations provide enhanced effectiveness for DHRUV. All this experience would enable HAL to successfully complete the WSI variant of ALH and the Light Combat Helicopter (LCH).
CURRICULUM VITAE :
IDENTIFICATION:
Name:
Dr. K. BALAKRISHNADesignation:
GENERAL MANAGER
ROTARY WING RESEARCH & DESIGN CENTRE
HAL, BangaloreEDUCATION:
B.E Mechanical Graduate from Govt. College of Engineering, Jawaharlal Nehru
Technology University(JNTU)-Kakinada-Andhra Pradesh.M.S. and Ph.D in Engineering Mechanics from Penn State University, United States
of America.Conducted Research in the field of Fatigue, response of Fiber reinforced
composite and metal matrix composites respectively during MS and Ph.D
programmes.Has been associated from the beginning in the Design and Development of ALH.
Responsible for Air Frame Design and associated system with special emphasis
onCrashworthiness design.Co-ordinated developmental flight testing of ALH leading to Certification.
Advisor to Aviation Research Centre, Delhi in getting FAA Supplementary Type
Certification of a modified Jet Aircraft.Associated as Technical Adviser to ADE in the Crashworthiness Design aspects of
PT-AInvolved in Life Extension Programmes of Mi-8 / Mi-17 helicopters and Kamov
Project upgrades and improvementsServed as Chief of Design in RWR&DC till December 2003 and Currently working as
a General Manager – RWR&DC since 1st Jan. 2004.
Nick_76Zaslon has no real operating modes per se. It operates in a TWS like mode.
Target Detection vs 3 sq m RCS
Head on: 120-130km
Pursuit: 45-60kmTarget Detection vs 16 sq m RCS
Head on: 180-200km
Pursuit: 60-80km
Paul
What do you make of the figures Zare posted? Which radar variant do they refer to? :confused:
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