J-10/10A do not have WS-10. There is one J-10B prototype (1035) with a WS-10B installed, but all other J-10B seem to have AL-31FN.

Regarding the reliability issues, they did not solve the problems fully. They managed to increase the the reliability. MTBO was increased from a horrible “less than 70” to a max of 500. J-10 is single engined unlike the J-11. So, PLAAF/CAC is going to be a lot more concerned when it comes to reliability.

J-11B use WS-10A extensively laterly, and SF’s J-16 also equips them as well.

so are you there? did the DoD call up on you by name and seen by your eyes on these response?

it did not say “we won’t buy”, it says “we have not come to an agreement”

Dont put your words into their mouth

They just say: the whole China talks with Russian for their Su-35 is baseless.

So yes, as groundless as another typical Russian rumors, as for the ground 0 reality, you need to go no futher than the latest Zhuhai airshow news (which I provided the link in my last post) where the Russian 117s manufacture admit that the PLA have not even shown any interests in their 117s engines, let along Su-35.:diablo:

So stop waste my time OK?

Cannot believe somebody are still dream on that:

OK, lets make it clear:

(0) THE MOST IMPORTANT PART: When a salesman claimed something, instead of trust what he have said blindly, it is most beneficial for you to go ask some customers for their opinions, especially if this particular salesman has a very pathetic track record.

(1) What russians said is a world different than what the Chinese have said.

(2) Chinese official channel seldom deny internet rumors, and russians’ die-hard pathetic Su-35 runmor is among the very exclusive few that make Chinese DoD come to officially deny it, it just give you an idea how annoying the rumor become.

(3) Chinese dont want Su-35’s 117s engine, according to russian 117s engine manufacuter who attending the Zhuhai Airshow: the true story is that Russians try to sell 117s to China (without the requirement of buying Su-35) and the PLA officers shown little interests so far.:diablo:

Source:
http://sky.news.sina.com.cn/2012-11-13/154829147.html

So the reality here is: the Russian side desperately trying to sell Su-35 to China, so every time there is a meeting between China and Russian defence officers, russians will bring this out, and Chinese shown zero interests in Su-35s, but russian media picked up the news, and play the words, that eplains.

Btw, when you hear some salesman claimed how some customers want their stuff, its really good for you to ask the customer directly:

This is the Chinese side of story about this latest version of the garbage Su-35 rumor:

Basically the Chinese said the Russian rumors are very confusing, and the PLAAF has no interests in Su-35, it is the russian officials who bring out this Su-35 thing every time they meet, hope the PLA buy some of them, and the PLA rejected every time, yet the Russians side play the words to looks like as if how Chinese want this fighter and how russians dont want to sell them.:diablo:

http://news.takungpao.com/military/exclusive/2012-11/1272358.html

Basically, just show you, some of the russians, even these senior officials, have no shame, run their big mouths like a typical lying salesman.:D

Check the screenshots, that is the issue they purchased from Hong Kong’s Kanwa office, the Chinese issue of Kanwa Defense Review, learn to live with it:diablo::diablo::diablo:

Sure.. The fact that even Lockeed alone have given up this concept with the F-35 alone speaks volumes..

F-35 is just a cheap alternative to the much better F-22, F-35, by its original design concept, tend to use affordable technogolies.

So F-35 use a should-be cheap alternative jet engine that is actually hopeless at super-cruise and super-sonic performance, due to its very high by-pass ratio.

Thats why they dont even bother with the 2D-nozzle (which is optimized for super-sonic performance) for F-35.

Just like the fairing for RD-33 on JF-17, right ?

How many missiles can it hold in the bay, 4 PL-10-class i suspect?

The “bump” under the fuselage , that is indeed only the bay doors being half open , the undersurface being smooth when they are closed, right?

Would that be the SAC factory airfield where the pics were taken?

Is september still planned as the first flight date of this bird?

Finally any other details about it?

Thank you.:)

I dont have much more information, but yes, the picture is taken at SAC, shenyang. As for the date of maiden flight, from the internet rumors I heard, it seems that due to the delay of stress test in Xianan(as common sense, the maiden flight has to be taken after the stress test has finished), the maiden flight will be delayed to October this year.

I’m not a huge fan of these “copy!”-allegations but in this case I am willing to make an exception. It looks so much like a twin engined derivative of the X/F-35 with a touch of F-22-ness it’s not even funny. I guess those hackers really came in handy this time.

The J-20, though incredibly ugly and bloated looking, was at least tad original. Sure, there were evidence of solutions applied that are present in contemporary foreign fighters (like the DSIs and the general 1-41-ish layout), but overall we saw things that might very well have been arrived at independently. And obviously it had the general “stealth fighter” traits.

In this case, it’s more like the F-20 vs. the F-5. Modifying a basic airframe to accomodate a new number of engines, throwing in a bunch of tweaks here and there, but overall an obvious derivative. Well, as much as the stolen data allowed them to.

Sorry if I come across as a pissy nay-sayer.

At least it has a two part canopy, which will undoubtedly mean that the Chinese and Pakistani fan boys will turn strangely quiet regarding that as an argument when throwing dirt at the PAK-FA. 😀

This fighter is factory’s self-funded project, not a officially approved one, so they use cheap stuff to build, thats why they use two part canopy in their first prototype, althrough for rumors say the second one of this class will get one-part canopy, as for PAK-FA, I dont know if the same reason holds, or maybe russians cannot make a one-piece canopy at all?

As for being ugly/orginality, I think it is subjective, I am sure alot of people dont find a rolled su-27 being anything even remotely related to the word such as attractive or originality:D