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  • in reply to: PLAAF Thread 15 #2308950
    SGW06
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    The fighter doesnt has side weapon bay, and it is powered by WS-13 at the moment, and in the future the 9500-kgf power WS-XX.

    However, neither WS-13 nor the future WS-XX has a low by-pass ratio, therefore, the fighter’s supercruise performance will be limited, if has any at all.

    As for the gap between the engines and the main airframe, well thats because they have just installed the engines at the time when the picture was taken, there should be an engine nozzle covering there to cover the gap, like these installed on any other fighters.

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    This is what cracks me up the most:

    I can give you another rumor, namely that Chinese agents have long utilized their deals with Pakistan to get hold of foreign military tech (like Harpoons and Exocets, eventually resulting in C-801/801) and that they’ve been very curious about the Swedish Erieye AESA recently. I can’t give you any proper sources other than unnamed Pakistani personnel…

    Whether any of this is true or not, does anybody really find it even the slightest bit plausible that a country that’s, in all honesty, been behind everyone for ages would suddenly skyrocket to the absolute forefront? Even flying past the nations that pioneered radar technology?

    “Only USA has a slight lead”, that’s funny. No, really, it is.

    I’m pretty new to this forum, but I’m just saying… If you want to spread unsubstantiated rumors (lies, even) and engage in mindless nation bashing, propaganda and so n there are plenty of better suited forums. I’m sure the guys over at Sinodefence and Defence.pk would welcome you with open arms.

    Except what I said are not merely “rumors” but backed up with sources.:eek:

    As for rumors, some guys here are pretty good at being high on rumors created all by themselves, judging by the rate, it wont take long before them to take the credit for the inventation of ****ting, lol.

    Meanwhile, serious science are done by people like these:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/13596454/60/12

    With one-half the journal articles in top ENGLISH journal in some military-related displine written by Chinese, its really not that hard to imagine you dont hold much, if any at all, lead in any military-related fields.:D

    SGW06
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    Its really rich when you call the news I cited with full download link provided, backed up with Chinese official channel like DoD’s confirmation as being “fabricated”, whilst the russian rumors who first appears since possibly 10 years ago, about how China desperately want to buy their su-35, with nothing but outright denial from the Chinese side, as being “trustful”.:diablo:

    Yes, I am trolling to tell the truth:D

    SGW06
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    Jesus. I love how butthurt people get over the suggestion that China was intersted in a small Su-35 batch.

    Why did you make a thread about this? This was discussed in depth in both Russian and CHinese threads, plus Hotdog made a separate one.

    That desperate?

    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?215552-It-is-official-Russians-arms-salesman-admitted-China-dont-rate-SU-35-very-high

    Btw, read that thread.
    SO much for these BS claims.
    lmao.

    I found its ironic that you can even remotely imagining I am being even remotely “butthurting” whilst the real butthurting guys keep bring out an offiically denied dead rumor at a freqency of a little bit more than once a week since possibly the beginning of this century.:D

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2313827
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    And of cause, China’s jet engines, will just like anything else in the military industry, will surpass russians’ in the near future.

    Russian enjoyed a head-lead, thanks to having been industried about 100-150 years earlier than China, and thanks to the huge investment in its defense industry during the cold war era.

    But the lead can only get you this far, I think prety much everyone and their dogs, including Russians themselves who are not in some serious denial mode, can figure this very obvious thing out.

    So this is very unhelpful, sometimes even pathetic, when Russian “fanboys” here always love to bring the “Russian invincible engine techniques” out whenever there is a talk among Chinese military industry etc.

    Its kind like an aging man, whose prime is long gone and even in financial troubles now, bragging how he still own a better watch he bought 50 years ago comparing to a new rich guy who is about to get a expensive watch a week later, you know, kind of enjoying his last bragging right when it is still last.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2313831
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    I dont think China want 117s in the first place.

    estentially, 117s and WS-10’s variations are the same generation high bypass ratio turbofan engines, 117s or not, the J-20’s supercruise performance will be limited.

    If you read the journal papers written by the J-20 project director, you would have figured out they care about supercruise very much, thats why they employ such a low aspect ratio, carcanrd with leading edges design, which they claimed could offer high agility without the loss of supercruise performance.

    I recall in one source they claimed the fighter would be capable of supercruise with a turbofan engine which has a by-pass ratio<0.4, which is quite good, but neither WS-10 or its variations nor 117s has such low by-pass ratio.

    Basically WS-10/117s are engines for last generation air-superiority fighters, which has very high by-pass ratio (>0.5), whilst academic research papers on WS-15 suggesting WS-15 can achieve 160kN of thrust at a by-pass ratio of 0.2.

    Which is quite impressive, since YF-119, with a by-pass ratio of 0.2, only manage to deliever 135kN thrust, whilst F-119, with a by-pass ratio of 0.3, barely deliever 155kN of thrust.

    F-135, which is estienally a F119 with a much bigger external hulls, althrough can deliever a 190kN thrust, but it has a last generation by-pass ratio of 0.6.

    Which means, there is basically no hope for a jet powered by F-135 can have super-cruise performance.

    By-pass ratio is a far more critical performance indicator for a jet’s high mach performance than max-thrust(which is usuallly representing the low-speed low attitude’s thrust), thats why J-20 dont need 117s, since it is not much better than AL-31F or WS-10s in terms of performance of concerns.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2317425
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    I’ve never heard of JH-7A being armed with PL-12s. It might have the capability though. JH-7 is essentially a bomber H with secondary air to air J. It is in the same series as H-5 and H-6.

    Yes, it can carry active-seeking AAMs, as says by its pilots.

    Actually thats the exactly reason how in Dingxin, they have beaten the crap out of some 3rd generation figthers (J-7, J-8, some J-8 with BVR), and the PLAAF has been quite surprised by the results, initially they dont expect much with the A2A performance of J/H-7, they think J/H-7’s AAMs is just like a woman carrying a knife, you know, something you can throw at the offender before you flee.

    Since they are totally suprised and impressed by J/H-7’s A2A performance, so they then pit J/H-7 against some 4th generation fighters, however the results of it against 4th generation fighters doesnt come out, i guess it is not as pretty.:diablo:

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2317497
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    I beg to differ. JH-7 never truly had a capable air to air capability and its design looks butt ugly IMO. 😉

    Yes, it looks like some fat ass bird, but it still is BVR-capable and can launch BVR and launch-and-forget type AAMs which give them some chance against 4th Generation fighters and a significant advantage against 3rd generation fighters as military excerises show :diablo:

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2317501
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    what kind of weopon and external jammer that JH-7 uses that make it better.
    Su-30 atleast can fly higher and with more mach#

    Su-24 carries ET which Su-30 cannot. There plus and minuses in each platform.

    underpowered JH-7 has better range?. It hasnt been seen with bigger ET than 1500L. I have doubts about its internal fuel capacity due to small wings.

    Ground mission excerises at Dingxin, west China, including standard ground attacking mission and some mission on take out “enemy”s ground air defense systems.

    And since when under/over power( in terms of thrust-weigth ratio) has some strong correlation with range or even speed? last time i recall the current longest ranged aircrafts are usually “underpowered” comparing to fighter, and world fastest manned aircrafts are also pretty much very very underpowered.

    So lets quit being amatuerish and employing amatuerish reasoning methods OK?

    Also, with a stone-age tubrojet engine, its quite understandable why Su-24 is short-legged.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2317504
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    What’s kind of “far better” electronics which will unable be fitted in Su-30 series version?

    Then why wasted many on Su-24 or importing Su-30?

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2319240
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    Out-performance? Why PLAAF still want Su-30MK version then?

    Which version of Su-30MKK PLA want? I guess SAC’s new “Su-30” is a little bit more than a standard Su-30MKK.

    Consider the range, because of dry-wing design, the Su-24 has a sort leg not only comparing with JH-7 but also F-111. But that purposeful design for survivability among anti-air fire-power.

    What’s kind of advantage the JH-7 have then?

    In PLA’s internal military excerises, J/H-7 can take down air defense and ground targets much better comparing to Su-30 thanks its far better electronics.

    And we all know in terms of ground attacking abilities, Su-30 is still better than Russian current Su-24 fleet.

    Better range, better electronics and better ground-attacking abilities, so I guess J/H-7 score at things that matters for today’s fighter-bombers.

    You know, kind like comparing a specialist who is good at their special area to a specialist who is good at almost everything but his own special area…

    Of cause in the end, you may simply prefer a classic 1970-era ground attacking tactics (e.g. high but not high enough speed at a low but not low enough attitude) on today’s air defense system since I know you may have a very strange sense of humor.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2319507
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    Nowadays the electronics for figher-bomber is more important than their airframes, thats why in PLAAF’s domestic military excerises, J/H-7 consistently out-performance Su-30 in ground-attack missions despite of the latter has agurable an much better airframe.

    Su-24’s swept wing is a outdated design, coupled with its low efficiency turbojet engines make their range considerably shorter than J/H-7, whilst the payloads of the two are estentially the same.Althrough due to its engine and its airframes, Su-24 may enjoy some higher top speed and high-attitude speed comparing to J/H-7, but none of these advantages matter much for today’s ground-attacking missions.

    Therefore I see no points for China to get Su-24, and I think Su-24’s production line has already been closed decades ago whilst helping local russian employment has never been a priority for China so there wont be any charity-orders just like PLA give to SAC to keep the latter alive either :diablo:

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2323071
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    Not exactly about fighters, but close:

    On China’s Department of Defense’s official web site, there is a news about a new radar concept or something, called single-photon radar.

    They claims the such radar can spot stealth fighters thousands of miles away.

    http://www.mod.gov.cn/wqzb/2012-04/19/content_4359787.htm

    A quick google-scholar can lead you get the conclusion, that China, USA and Switzelands are current front-runner in the single-photon detection related research, but thats for academic world only, dont know much about military industry.

    If this research can lead to fruitful results, then next generation stealth fighter need to be optically stealth…

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2324679
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    Lol, if all news papers published are bull**** then what is count as real or offiical?

    Every official statement come to public through the channel of TV, news paper,etc.

    This news paper is a big popular one in Russia, it is not some garbarge rumor-infested unknown news paper, so of cause people will take this news paper more seriously, especially considering the fact the news reporters claimed their report is based on their talks with russian aviation officals, and after that, there isnt any Russian official sources to deny that news piece is baseless or the news reporters have put words in their mouths.

    Thats why this news become quite popular laterly.

    This topic goes nowhere so I stop here.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2324688
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    What Russian agency? You have yet to quote the actual agency, not some vague media sources that may or may not even exist in Russian news outlets.

    In the Su-35 report, the Rosoboronexport guy EVEN SAID China has a well developed aviation industry. That is badmouthing?
    You people sure are sensitive.

    Do you really need citiations? go checking your russian news sources.

    If I could get many of these sources TRANSLATED INTO CHINESE, I am sure you could get enough evidences in Russian if you want.

    And the rumor started by a very popular news paper in russian, a quick googled can get you to their official site:

    http://www.kommersant.ru/

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