Thrust vectoring MiG-29M2

errrr….does the F-18 B/D/E/F ??? w/e have that ??

M2 wins hands down.

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The X-32 actually had a weapons bay the X-35 didn’t and clearly had no room.

The F-35 moved its main gear to a location like the X-32 and now it has room but I think the F-32 would have had much greater fuel capacity.

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F-32 would have probably been lighter, after a fuel dump and it was to have thrust vectoring. The F-35 TV is an option that probably will never happen.

It has a weapon bay and it has TVN. Obviously a lot of people do not know what they are talking about. Only thing is it looked a bit ugly/fatty and much like a kid who is afflicted with sinusitis it always had its mouth open.

But plague to those people who based their opinion on looks alone. X-32 is stealthier, more maneouvrable, would have carried a larger weapon load.

JSF X-35 is a dud. It always was and it always will be.

Now when have I ever “boasted” about a F-16 going to China?

Here you state explicitly that China had access F-16s from Pakistan. And not in Pakistan

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The S-70 Blackhawk. China had that helo since the 1980s. It is extremely popular but it was never reverse-engineered. China instead went like license production of a whole line of Eurocopter products.

The F-16 Falcon, China had access since the 1980s from Pakistan. It was never reverse-engineered.

RE is not easy, especially with highly sophisticated Western systems. It is far easier to go with a design from scratch that incorporates ideas gleamed from a S-70 or a F-16 than to make an exact copy.

The J-11 is the Chinese assembled copy of the Su-27SK. But even with license production there are lots of changes during the production process. According to the Chinese newsgroups, Russian pilots said the J-11 feels and handles like a totally different plane from the Su-27. This is for a plane that includes all the blueprints from the original manufacturers.

So in reverse engineering where there are no or incomplete blueprints, the deviation from the original can be very large (such as the J-7 is to the MiG-21 or the Y-8 to An-12.)

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/11/7/161236.shtml
Chinese Air Force Gets New Jet
Charles R. Smith
Friday, Nov. 8, 2002
J-10 Fighter Linked to Failed U.S.-Israeli Project

The People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) is expected to unveil its long-anticipated fourth-generation combat jet this week during the Zhuhai air show. Despite being touted as the first indigenous fighter, the J-10 is filled with a combination of technologies either bought or stolen from America.

The Chengdu J-10 advanced combat fighter is clearly a product of years of military cooperation between Israel and China, taking much of its design from the now defunct U.S.-Israeli Lavi project.

The exact amount of Israeli support for the J-10 project is debatable; however, there is overwhelming evidence that much of the new jet fighter’s design comes from the joint U.S.-Israeli project from the 1980s.

Externally, the J-10 appears to be almost an exact copy of the Israeli/U.S.-designed Lavi fighter. The aircraft is a single-seat, multi-role, delta-canard fighter design equipped with a digital fly-by-wire system for control.

Chinese engineers, working with Russian counterparts, modified the aircraft to be powered by a single Saturn Lyuika Al-31 power plant. The new power plant, more powerful that the U.S.-made engine designed for the Lavi, gives the J-10 a higher top speed and longer-range performance.

F-16 Falcon Technology in PLAAF Jet

In addition, China has added several features that were directly reverse-engineered from a U.S.-made F-16 Falcon jet fighter provided to Beijing by Pakistan.

The Pakistani F-16, sold to Islamabad during the 1980s, was given to the PLAAF as part of a secret military trade deal between Pakistan and China. In return for the U.S.-made F-16 jet, Pakistan received a deep discount on the purchase of Chinese-made M-11 ballistic missiles.

The new Chinese J-10 supersonic fighter is designed to take on and defeat U.S.-built F-16 and F-18 fighters that make up the bulk of American airpower. Western sources estimate that Chengdu will manufacture over 1,000 of the delta-winged fighters to replace aging MiG-21 and MiG-19 fighter designs that currently make up the vast majority of China’s air force.

It better not be conventionally powered. Turbines have outlived their utility.

Isn’t Pakistan the same country that parked an F-16 in China to let the Chinese inspect it closely ??

With what credibility are they asking for more F-16s ??

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You would not be buying a PAK FA if you already have a JSF since both aircraft are supposed to be similar. My vote would be JSF plus F-15E or JSF plus Rafale.

Not following the Pak-Fa thread are you ??

Sukhoi T-50 is definitely a F-22 challenger.

As for the question with JSF what ??

I would definitely prefer an Su-35 or F-2.

JSF as a bomb and missile truck and the Su-35/F-2 as an Air Dominance fantasy thingy.