Germany drops F-35 from fighter tender; Boeing F/A-18 and Eurofighter to battle on
Does it mean F-15?
Bwah. If it has to go on a pylon it’s an afterthought. But the radar is smaller anyway.
The Typhoon had Striker in 2008 but Striker II with integrated night-vision is available now, very similar to F-35 helmet.
The Gripen fuel fraction is below 30% and any external stores will degrade it further because it’s a smaller aircraft. Higher % weight and drag increase per store.
In 2008 it was an old mechanically scanned radar, which would massively affect range, detection, acquisition, NCTR/ident and subsequently SA and QRA too, not to mention the lack of simultaneous A2G/A2A, SAR, passive modes, swash plate AoR etc. The old mechanically scanned radar still won on engagement though.
Let’s not forget that Typhoon scored maximum for performance last time and won by a mile and a marginal weight increase is offset by the 1kN improvement between the Mk.100 and Mk.101. The balance is negligible relative to fuel movements.
Well hopefully the Swiss military are less demented than the press and public.
8bn Swiss Francs. That would buy about 60 Typhoon, Rafales or F-35s, but when you start adding training course material, weapons, spares, GME and logistics support, it becomes a very small air force and of course overheads become relatively larger as numbers decline.
Everything is probably overkill for Swiss needs, F-35 massively so, but the Typhoon is by no means least impressive once you factor in Captor-E, the CFTs, integration of EPWII, UK Paveway IV, Brimstone, Storm Shadow, and DASS upgrade, new countermeasures, BriteCloud. When you go back to your chart, factor in all the improvements in the affected sectors that amounts to on top of the fact that it won Performance, Pilot Workload and Engagement with maximum points in two, that’s a very filled out chart for the Typhoon. The only unaffected sectors are probably CNI and data dissemination.
Sadly that looks like a conventional turbojet to me, although maybe adaptive cycle?
What are the two parts?
And what would you make the air frame out of that is both stealthy and heat resistant up to Mach 5.5? How big would it need to be to house the substantial fuel requirement as well as the helium cooling loop? You’d be looking at something at least the size of an SR-71 (150,000lbs loaded) and how well would IRST or an EODAS equivalent work at that altitude?
What is the truth about the flow over that border then? It can’t be far off, there are only 4m people in ROI and 1.5m in NI, compared to 500m for the EU. I’d be surprised if the cross border trade amounted to anything remotely significant.
The way I see it, if the EU drops the backstop, it probably gets its money and the ability to maintain its export surplus with the UK, whereas if there’s no deal, then the EU doesn’t get its money, or the ability to maintain its export surplus with the UK and still doesn’t get the backstop.
TomcatViP – They preferred the Rafale last time but they selected the Gripen because of price. I believe they also have mountain hangars that only the Gripen would fit it. Any other aircraft would have to have a folding fin.

I doubt it unless they’re making a real life version of Firefox… which I wouldn’t be against, I just doubt it.
eagle – It matters for drag and RCS. Yes AN/ALQ-214 does have DRFM from (V)2 onwards actually. That HMCS does not match Striker II for performance. The Gripen is a much smaller airframe that will be inundated with tanks and pods to perform any mission because its fuel fraction is so low, so its clean RCS is irrelevant. Rafale isn’t much smaller, but the Typhoon radar aperture area is about 50% greater than either. The Typhoon was already close for SA and Ident and ahead on Engagement in 2008 even with the mechanically scanned unit. For aircraft performance it will blitz the other 4 as it did with Gripen and Rafale last time.
Every aircraft is known for problems in the Luftwaffe because they don’t maintain them properly and have most of them sitting in a state of inoperability. Can’t blame the plane for that.
The only plane they can afford is the Gripen, but to say the Typhoon is ‘underkill’. Underkill how exactly? The F-35 has the most impressive systems by a mile but the Typhoon is at least on par with the Rafale, SH and Gripen E on systems this time around.
eagle – The SH does not have proper airframe-integrated IRST, not sure about DRFM jamming. HMCS might be available for the Rafale, but to date it is not integrated and I don’t know of any plans to do it for the FAF. That chart is also massively out-of-date. Gripen’s radar is much smaller, as is the Rafale’s. And you did say ‘least impressive on systems’ but you have now at least retracted that as regards the SH. I would also argue that the Typhoon comes out on top on aircraft performance and pilot workload still, whilst it will be far more competitive on all radar-related categories, which actually amount to 6 of the other categories, of which there are only 16 in total.
Well obviously Waitrose will be in difficulty given that the banks and Merrill Lynch are moving overseas.
So how did the rebels get hold of them? There’s no record of official sales to the Yemeni government pre-civil war.
I honestly think some of the latest F-16s might be the best option for Switzerland.
Yes, because there are no local producers of milk and bread. Oh wait, yes there are.
“Underkill” because the Typhoon is the least impressive regarding systems.
The questions about general Swiss needs are another matter.
Export AESA radar is due later this year or early next year, production contracts have already been signed. It will also have the second largest AESA radar. It also has DRFM jammers and IRST, which is more than can be said for the SH. It also has longer range AAMs than the SH. In fact, a plane flying in the middle of Switzerland would be able to shoot down aircraft across the borders. It also has HMCS, which at present the Rafale does not have, with the Striker II option also available. I think you’ve made a very callous statement based on something that was only half-true 10 years ago.