GlobalPressin training sometimes pilots colides, it happen in close dogfight training sometimes!
GlobalPresssad news, hope they find out the pilote quicly!
GlobalPressKaveri is all political, each times a manufacturer offers a core engine, the indians says “we want to do it by our own”, so at the same time they are late!
showing flag is all around, nothing is realistic till industrial issues aren’t taken seriously
GlobalPressA Eurofighter executive suggests that any plans for an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar are “unlikely to meet the Tranche 3A timescales.” Retrofitting AESA technology to T3A aircraft, he suggests will be the probable approach. Tranche 2 aircraft could also receive an AESA upgrade, since the aircraft configuration is designed to accommodate this. The yet to be agreed Tranche 3B production – due to be negotiated by 2011-12 – could have an AESA from the outset, should this Typhoon order come to fruition.
Industry partners from four nations – Germany, Italy, Spain, and the UK – are already funding risk reduction study work on an AESA for the aircraft. A further phase, jointly funded by industry and governments, is now under discussion.
“There are some difficult decisions to make,” says the executive, suggesting a conclusion could take some time. Within the radar industrial community there is pressure to secure an AESA program for the Typhoon as soon as possible.
One candidate approach would be to replace the radar’s mechanically scanned array with an active array, while retaining the majority of the rest of the Captor architecture. This would help to control cost, but would not offer as much of a performance gain as an all new design
GlobalPressYou do need to say more, GlobalPress, if you want to try to show that BAE is as ‘dirty’ as Dassault.
You could start by listing one conviction of BAE for bribery.
wacky is as wacky does , forrest
GlobalPressA leading Austrian politician has resigned from parliament after being named in a £4.4m bribes scandal alleged to involve British Aerospace. Peter Marizzi yesterday resigned his post as business manager of the Social Democratic party, a member of the country’s ruling coalition and his seat in parliament. He acknowledged no guilt, but said that the controversy over the affair would overshadow his work and hurt his party.
dear John Lake! first austria
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/new-resignation-in-bae-bribe-scandal-1570414.html
Chief executives, diplomats, even United States military planners – all will be keeping half an eye on events in Jersey this week. They are bracing themselves for explosive revelations about unexplained payments of more than £100 million made by major arms companies, allegedly including British Aerospace, to a senior member of Qatar’s royal family. Long-awaited details about the payments, suspected of being sweeteners to secure big defence contracts from the oil-rich Gulf state, are set to emerge in court proceedings in St Helier, Jersey’s capital.
http://www.angloarabia.com/bribery/sleaze.html
second Qatar
THE South African authorities have carried out a series of raids as part of an investigation into allegations the British defence and aerospace giant, BAe Systems, paid bribes to officials of the Pretoria government to secure a deal worth 30 billion rand (£1.95 billion) aircraft.
The alleged bribes, reported by four South African newspapers, were said to have been paid by BAe to the colourful arms dealer Fana Hlongwane, adviser to the late defence minister Joe Modise, and other unnamed government officials.
http://news.scotsman.com/world/39Bribes39—BAe-.4750216.jp
third south africa
It is alleged that the count had asked his cousin to use his contacts in the Czech government in the 1990s, to convince it to buy Swedish Gripen jet-fighters. The count, representing BAE Systems, allegedly promised Mr Piatti-Fünfkirchen a commission of one million Euros if the Czech government did so.
There were a number of high-level meetings in 1998 involving Czech officials, a BAE manager and then Czech Finance Minister Ivo Svoboda, but they did not result in any orders. The Czech government eventually leased 14 Gripens in 2005, but Mr Piatti-Fünfkirchen did not receive a commission.
http://www.nwemail.co.uk/home/relative_accuses_bae_consultant_of_bribery_1_530727?referrerPath=home
fourth, Czech
Defence giant BAE Systems is back in the dock over alleged corruption and bribery involving contracts with the Czech Republic, South Africa, Tanzania and Romania.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/markets/article.html?in_article_id=469733&in_page_id=3&in_a_source=
Pith, sixth Tanzania, romania etc….
its not for 20 years deals,
need i say more?
GlobalPressask to the UAE or to the greeks, about diponibilities and cost of maintaining squadrons differences between F16 and Mk2! :D:D
GlobalPressTrue, but the guy swallowed half and the rest spoke as one word. My French is a bit rusty. 😮
Now as for square dance, it’s actually less demanding than sustained 9g turn, being broken into 4x9g turns. Each roll off between the turns recovers some of the energy.
However, if not already, I’m quite sure the Rafale will be able pull sustained 9g turn with new engines.
As for EF, well both planes have their pros and cons, BUT they together are a league of their own, compared to other planes in the air. 🙂
the rafale is able to turn at 11g,
its just demo, but if the pilot says that the typhoon can’t do 4 or 5 stuffs the rafale does, its far more credibilities sources than any John lake reviews!
GlobalPressThe most amazing in all this is that some people seem to believe that you do arms sales in the middle east without bribes. Provided that the company is from the country of that commentator.
The funny thing is that these people are also very selective in their quotes. They forget to quote their boss Blair who clearly stated that the inquiry in the Al Yamamah deal was not stopped because of a lack of evidence but because of threats uttered by the Saudis. “Our relationship with Saudi Arabia is vitally important for our country in terms of counter-terrorism, in terms of the broader Middle East, in terms of helping in respect of Israel and Palestine. That strategic interest comes first.”
They forget also to recall that the Saudi representation to the Brit were suddenly initiated because the Swiss judiciary decided that they would provide information on a BAE slush fund that was based in Geneva (for the benenfit of the Saudis). They forget to mention the conclusions of the OCDE inquiry in the case. They forget to mention that BAE is under ongoing investigations for other cases of potential bribery.
That does not make BAE or the UK worse than others (I have no doubt as to what Dassault or other French companies have to do to get a contract in the Middle East). But that usual holier than thou attitude is so laughable.
Dassault never went on bribery , commissions always , but not briberies, the spin docs calls hotels rooms and meals as “bribing”!
BAE just were found to get 1 billions dollars budget in bribing around the world, they are into investigation into 17 countries!
since thales affair, french auttorities and gov are fighting corruption, anyway france in a real democraty, not as the crownies who can shut up thier justice when needed!
Bae payed a beauty instutute to the austrian gov general wife, the one that cleared the bid for bae, haha, Jack come on guy, tell us where dassault bough anything to any influent ppl close of a defence contract in the last 10 years?
GlobalPressFacts
Other “scoop” concerning the rafale vs typhoon…This MN pilot already downed a typhoon with a two supersonic drop tank config (for the rafale) in a simulated gun dogfight. It took him three turns to take the advantage.
interpreted thoughs:
So he didn’ felt that there was a big gap of performance between the two aircrafts in this area. He admitted that the outcome could have bee different as there is always a part of luck in this type of engagement but he insisted that both aircraft are quite similar for dog fighting skills
tree corners to out turns and kick ass the EF-2000 with two tanks on the heavier config of the rafale, the M version, uhmmm
pretty impressive!
even if he didn’t feel there were a big Gap, there is a gap, a gap that’s allow him to outperforme the EF-2000!:D:D:cool:
GlobalPressI have a hunch push come to shove that Dassault will integrate HARM if a SEAD capability (India for example). Raytheon is hardly going to throw up any barriers to the exercise if it means that it opens up the French market to their products.
raytheonthales is working on stuff more juicy than harm, if you are talking about “classified” factor!
GlobalPressTruly, much good news for Rafale coming out at the show (and running up to it), with many upgrades practically confirmed for near-future.
The new AESA ground modes being funded should increase Rafale’s appeal for future tenders – Brazil, for one (which if Rafale won would imply integrating new (non-French/cheap) WVR & BVR missiles, which should also enlargen Rafale’s appeal. Though it’s premature to break out the champagne just yet 🙂@jacko: anything substantial to share from the Indian delegation, on “what India really wants”? (MoD? or AF? ;))
…Or thoughts on how Rafale will meet the HARM requirement?
Kh-31 seems an economic, though left-field, solution (bonus being compatable w/ IAF Mig-29s), but did what you hear speak to this at all?
(that may belong in a different thread, though even with the drama over airshow appraisals, I prefer this thread to the politics of Indian/MMRCA threads…)The news about integrating Rover was interesting, apparently going w/ on-board integration (allowing sharing of entire SA picture, including SAR mode presumably) rather than tied to Damocles’ own imagery, which seems by far the smarter solution in the long run.
I wonder what is proposed for the longer term “stealth” upgrade…
New intakes for the UAE’s M88-3 should lower the frontal RCS given advances in the art, and could likely be back-ported to ECO users… Beyond that, IR signature reduction (new nozzles with IR-band shifting?) seems likelier than an out-and-out structural revamp to achieve “LO/ VLO” (X-band) status… ???
exept the m88-3 is dead for years! 😮
GlobalPressThat the Government supports the engineering and manufacturing skills of the United Kingdom by purchasing the full Tranche 3 Eurofighter Typhoon lot
which are? 😮
GlobalPressThat pleasure fight aside some vital details are missing. (Just “idiots” do stick to the gun with a modern AAM at hand!)
Empty ETs, energy state and SA are some of that to add and about the related situation.
RAF Lightnings from Gütersloh had their fun with F-104Gs, when they were informed by passing pairs of that. They honed their skills by jumping that, when under real conditions they did not learn of the presence of that even.
lol !
Lots of idiots won batles in the sky since skill and best agility is required to win!
stop to play on your X box
GlobalPressTo start something new you have to learn the related technology.
In 1946 Hispano-Suiza took the lisence of the Nene from RR. From Ouragan to Mystere IVA all were equipped with Nene-variants. The Verdon was the strongest French development for the otherwise dead-end radial jet-engine.
The Russians did choose a similar way, before they reached the level to reach a domestic axial-engine for fighters.
France did learn some missing technologies via the civil engines. In December 1968 Hispano-Suiza became part of the national SNECMA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56
[See the related time-scale given!]
When the cooperation with PW did not work to the satisfication of France GE did come into play. See the ownership of SNECMA about CFM. Before that in the 60s RR and Turbomeca or SNECMA and Bristol Siddeley did cooperate and share the technology for the M45 and later M88.
Contrary to China France did not use the core-engine of the CFM56, but did learn the high-temperature and high-pressure technologies from that. The GE15 did become the YJ101 and F404 in the 70s and is a scaled down F101 in general.
The first patent for using a gas turbine to power an aircraft was filed in 1921 by Frenchman Maxime Guillaume.[8] His engine was an axial-flow turbojet.
How my god? no RR here?
On June 6, 1905 Louis Seguin and his brother Laurent formed the Société Des Moteurs Gnôme (the Gnome motor company) to produce automobile engines. They soon started development of one of the first purpose-designed aircraft engines, combining several Gnone cylinders into a rotary engine. The design emerged in the spring of 1909 as the 7-cylinder rotary Gnome Omega, delivering 50 hp (37 kW) from 75 kg. More than 1,700 of these engines would be built in France, along with license-built models in Germany, Sweden, Britain, the United States and Russia. The Gnome powered Henry Farman’s Farman III aircraft to take the world records for distance and endurance, as well as powering the first aircraft to break 100 km/h, and powered France to become the leading country in aviation.
With the fall of France in 1940, Gnome et Rhône was ordered to produce the BMW 801 under license, while the 14M saw limited use on some German designs. The company became infamous for slow production, building only 8,500 engines by May 1944, when the Germans had been estimating 25,000. That month a massive US air raid completely destroyed the original Gennevilliers factories.
With the end of the war, In order to save what was left the company was nationalized on May 29, 1945, creating the Société Nationale d’Etude et de Construction de Moteurs d’Aviation (SNECMA), and producing the 14N, 14R and the new 14U.
Oh my god, the french were making top notch engines since 1900!
not dah british! :eek::eek::eek:
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