what is the new plans for the Iraqi airforce .is the US will be provided with new american
aircraft or another aircraft.how many Iraqi aircraft in 1991 and now .I need any photo
for the ex and new Iraqi aircraft . and is true that Iraqi pilots tranning on f-16 in Iraq. I
have a book whose name IRAQI AIRFORCE HISTORY since 1931 to 1968 in arabic and
published by Iraqi af command in 1989 contains many of details and photos of old Iraqi
aircraft
Also some pictures of Iraqi MiG-21 aircraft?
If yes, could you please scan some of these pictures and read their serials.
Rgd,
Jeroen Nijmeijer
Holland
numbers
Hello,
Is Chris Lofting also on this forum?
And if yes, what about the s/n and c/n read during this very interesting trip?
rgd,
Jeroen Nijmeijer
Holland
The correct numbers are
21 to USA
4 to Yeman
1 to Romania
6 still in Moldova (waiting for a buyer)
2 missing ?
Rgd,
Jeroen Nijmeijer
Holland
Agreed!
Best answer there could possibly be! Scramble’s database is always worth checking for their Slovak stuff as that is kept pretty much up-to-date.
Keep up the good work!
Maybe we could start a special MiG & Sukhoi “c/n-thread” 😀
There is still much to reaserch in those former WP countries.
And of course all those other MiG and Sukhoi countries in the world :diablo:
Lets start with Iraq?
Regards,
Jeroen Nijmeijer
Great thread, Guys, and some really interesting info: thanks, Flex, Jeroen and Martinez.
Lets hope this is a start for some good research work 😀
Jeroen, what was the thought behind the list of Fishbeds you posted as I thought the current whereabouts/fate of almost all of those was pretty much known?
I had no “fate” of these Slovak MiG-21 aircraft in my database 🙂
The Fishbeds that I’m not aware of recent sightings for are the following:
7706 MiG-21MF
7715 MiG-21MF
9404 MiG-21MF
9406 MiG-21MF
9710 MiG-21MF
9714 MiG-21MF
9813 MiG-21MF
9814 MiG-21MF
9815 MiG-21MF3176 MiG-21UM Sold Abroad (but to where?!)
Most of the MiG-21MF I’ve listed above are the ones that raised suspicions in certain people who follow such movements of hardware around the globe as much as they can.
I Am not yet up-to-date with all the new Mil, MiG & Sukhoi movements 😮
Any info you have on any of these would be very much appreciated, Martinez: many thanks in advance.
Keep up the good work, Chaps!
And not forget the mfd, del, wfu info etc. :diablo:
Regards,
Jeroen Nijmeijer
Almost all L-39C “White Albatrosses” got new airframes during the overhaul in 1996/97. Because of irreparable cracks which were found in their airframes. The bort numbers remained the same. AFAIK no tie-ups exist, the parts were bought from Aero.
What would you like to know about the Slovak Mig-29?
Regards
Martinez
So, someone has to check the c/n plates in the rear cockpit :diablo:
Rgd,
Jeroen Nijmeijer
7501 – 1st batch of 9.12A, ex-Czechoslovakia, 2. SLP, 4-tone brown/green/dark green/sand camo, later white/red/blue stripes, it is probably this machine, that has been damaged beyond repair whilst being pulled over 10 g
8003 – 1st batch of 9.12A, ex-Czechoslovakia, 2. SLP, 4-tone brown/green/dark green/sand camoetc.
4401 – 1st batch of 9.51A, ex-Czechoslovakia, 2. SLP, 4-tone brown/green/dark green/sand camo, overhauled at LOT Trencin, given new white/grey livery
1303 – 2nd batch of ex-Russian 9.51, 1. SLP, 2-tone green/grey camo, later painted in Tiger scheme
5304 – ex-Russian 9.51, stars still visible under Slovak badges, green/grey camo, the green is somewhat darker than usually seenAll machines of 9.12 standard (2nd batch) can carry underwings bags, the 9.12A can only use underbelly tank
Thanks
But I have some corrections and additions 😀
First the orignal Czechoslovak MiG-29:S/n Del C/n L/n<br />
7501 jun89 2960526375 3901<br />
7702 jun89 2960526377<br />
8003 jun89 2960526380<br />
8304 jun89 2960526383<br />
8605 jun89 2960526386<br />
8906 jun89 2960526389<br />
9207 jun89 2960526392<br />
9308 jun89 2960526393<br />
3709 jun89 2960532037 4202 ?<br />
3810 sep89 2960532038 4203<br />
3911 sep89 2960532039 4204<br />
4012 sep89 2960532040 4205 ?<br />
5113 sep89 2960532351 4212<br />
5414 sep89 2960532354 4214 ?<br />
5515 sep89 2960532355 4215<br />
5616 sep89 2960532356 4301 ?<br />
5817 sep89 2960532358<br />
5918 sep89 2960532359<br />
4401 apr89 N50903013244<br />
4402 sep89 N50903014528
And the ex Czechoslovak and new Slovak machines:
S/n Del C/n L/n<br />
7501 jan93 2960526375 3901<br />
8003 jan93 2960526380<br />
8605 jan93 2960526386<br />
9308 jan93 2960526393<br />
3709 jan93 2960532037 4202 ?<br />
3911 jan93 2960532039 4204<br />
5113 jan93 2960532351 4212<br />
5515 jan93 2960532355 4215<br />
5817 jan93 2960532358<br />
0619 dec94 2960535406 4713 ?<br />
0820 dec94 2960535408 4714<br />
0921 dec94 2960535409 4715 ?<br />
2022 dec94 2960536020 4801<br />
2123 dec94 2960536021 4802<br />
6124 dec95 2960536061<br />
6425 dec95 2960536064 4905<br />
6526 dec95 2960536065 4906<br />
6627 dec95 2960536066 4907 ?<br />
6728 dec95 2960536067 4908<br />
6829 dec95 2960536068 4909<br />
6930 dec95 2960536069 4910<br />
4401 jan93 N50903013244<br />
1303 dec94 N50903028113<br />
5304 dec95 N50903028253
But what about the yet unknown linenumbers, exact delivery dates and mfd info :diablo:
Regrads,
Jeroen Nijmeijer
Model S/n location/year 2005
MiG-21MF 1210 Kosice
MiG-21MF 7702 Sliac
MiG-21MF 7703 Sliac
MiG-21MF 7704 Sliac
MiG-21MF 7710 Sliac
MiG-21MF 7712 Sliac
MiG-21MF 7713 Sliac
MiG-21MF 7714 Kosice
MiG-21MF 7801 Kosice
MiG-21MF 7803 Sliac
MiG-21MF 8205 Kosice
MiG-21MF 9502 Kosice
MiG-21MF 9710 info is missing, needs more time..
MiG-21R 1502 Trencin
MiG-21R 1702 Trencin
MiG-21R 1703 Kosice
MiG-21R 1920 Sliac
MiG-21R 1923 Kosice
MiG-21US 0441 Trencin
MiG-21UM 0368 Sliac
MiG-21UM 3041 Trencin
MiG-21UM 3051 Sliac
MiG-21UM 3176 went abroad, sold
MiG-21UM 5101 Sliac
MiG-21UM 5166 TrencinRegards
Martinez
Thanks for the info!
Martinez, what do you know about Slovak MiG-29 linenumbers 🙂
Rgd,
Jeroen
Those twelve (batch/6pcs) ex-bulgarian L-29 Delphin underwent overhaul in LOT and were sold to Angola. The first batch of the L-29 left the Slovakia on the same train with the Su-22. The dates are correct.
No one Slovak Mig participated in the illegal deal with North Korea. The Czech company, the ex-Kirgiz(Kazakh) Migs-21 were involved into it. In case of missing Sliac Fishbeds, one pair has been sold to Australia, a few went to a private gatherer to Presov town, some others were scraped. The rest is staying at Sliac AFB and the VHU museum in Piestany(Trencin).
If you want to talk bort numbers separately, write those you are looking for, maybe I`ll be able to trace them down. I know people who spent years gathering information about Slovak Fishbeds.Regards
Martinez
Thanks for the info Martinez!
Talking about Slovak serial numbers sounds good 🙂
I am looking for Fishbeds:Model S/n<br />
MiG-21MF 1210<br />
MiG-21MF 7702<br />
MiG-21MF 7703<br />
MiG-21MF 7704<br />
MiG-21MF 7710<br />
MiG-21MF 7712<br />
MiG-21MF 7713<br />
MiG-21MF 7714<br />
MiG-21MF 7801<br />
MiG-21MF 7803<br />
MiG-21MF 8205<br />
MiG-21MF 9502<br />
MiG-21MF 9710<br />
MiG-21R 1502<br />
MiG-21R 1702<br />
MiG-21R 1703<br />
MiG-21R 1920<br />
MiG-21R 1923<br />
MiG-21US 0441<br />
MiG-21UM 0368<br />
MiG-21UM 3041<br />
MiG-21UM 3051<br />
MiG-21UM 3176<br />
MiG-21UM 5101<br />
MiG-21UM 5166
And something about the L-39. Aero rebuilt six Slovak L-39 aircraft. The old airframe was replaced by a new airframe (c/n 5251, 5252, 5253, 5254, 5301 and 5302). Which six Slovak L-39 aircraft where involved?
And any tie-ups?
Regrads,
Jeroen Nijmeijer
Holland
To be serious though, the register still actually shows 12 L-29s: 6 in 1999 and 6 in 2002. Bulgaria is a definite possibility, but remember that they are all shown in Slovakia’s declarations as “exports” and there’s no mention of them at all in the Bulgarian section. This could just be that a Slovakian-based company acted as brokers for the sale and that Bulgaria, quite correctly, didn’t declare them in their own returns as they aren’t considered to be combat aircraft.
Bulgaria
6 L-29 to Slovakia in 2001 (UN register)
2 L-39ZA to Slovakia in 2002 (UN register)
Slovakia
6 L-29 to Angola in 1999 (UN register
6 Su-22 to Anogla in 1999 (UN regiter)
4 Su-22 to Anogla in 2001 (UN regiter)
1 Su-22UM-3K to Anogla in 2001 (UN regiter)
6 L-29 to Anogla in 2002 (UN regiter)
The two former Bulgarian L-39ZA aircraft have been re-exported to the US in 2002 (or 2003 ?).
The one story from around the time the Fishbeds at Sliac went missing which keeps bugging me for some reason is that of the An-124 that was impounded in Kazakhstan in 1999 with six MiG-21s on board. It transpired that these were due to be ilegally sold to North Korea by a Czech company called Agroplast. Reports at the time stated these were ex-Kazakh aircraft, but also that a total of between 30 and 40 were involved. Even more strange, to the suspicious amongst us anyway, is that the destination for the flight was originally given as Bratislava, before the crew came clean.
There have certainly been some “interesting” sales and transfers over the last few years!
I am almost 100% sure that in this illegal MiG-21 sale to North Korea NO former Slovak MiG-21MF aircraft were involved. But maybe there was another (up to now unknown!) illegal MiG-21 sale to North Korea!
Are you up-to-speed on the proposed sale of the Bulgarian L-39s to Belarus that has run into problems?
I read something about it, but thats all.
Best regards
Jeroen Nijmeijer
L-29
Helo Steve,
Yep, the UN register declarations.
The six L-29 aircraft are almost sure ex Bulgarian aircraft.
I have also seen a picture of an Angolan L-39!
We need so more digging 🙂
Rgd,
Jeroen
Su-22 to Angola
Hello,
Slovakia delivered 11 Su-22 aircraft to Angola, 6 Su-22M4 in 1999 and 4 Su-22M4 and 1 Su-22UM3K in 2001.
C/n
36715
36716
36817
36818
36919
36920
40614
40716
40717
40818
17532372307
But which aircraft was delivered in 1999 and 2001?
And which MiG-21MF was delivered to the Ukraine in 2000?
Rgd,
Jeroen Nijmeijer
Holland
What is known about the N003z radar in a MiG-23ML?
Rgd,
Jeroen