If Japan had invaded Hawaii right after the Pearl Harbor, they would have suffered a severe drubbing.
Japan at that time probably had the best amphibious capability in the world, but let me specify what that means. They were great at moving their troops from one place to another. It absolutely does not mean they had even the vaguest idea how to execute an opposed landing. In fact, they tried only one such operation during the war–Wake Island!
Oahu was much more heavily garrisoned than Wake, and the United States Navy still had a major presence there. The Pearl raid did not cripple the Pacific Fleet. A commitment by the Japanese to invading Oahu would have involved a protracted deployment in distant waters, and it would dictate foregoing the reason the Japanese went to war–to get much needed resources from the Indies.
Well, I can agree with you that the Japanese plan to attack America was wrong from the start. It was just plain foolish. But the Japanese could not have captured Hawaii, so faulting them for not doing so is futile. It simply underscores the depth of their folly.
The Japanese could not have put themselves in a position to launch any substantial attacks on the US West Coast. The logistics of such a move would have been prohibitive, even with Pearl in hand. However, they did historically make a few nuisance strokes including a bombing attack in Oregon, of all places.
I also agree that an increase in Japanese success would endanger the Germany-first strategy.
I believe you have correctly identified Japan’s Mahanian advantage at Midway in the strength of surface forces. However, the ability to bring that advantage to bear was limited. Not only was the Japanese force slower and shorter in reach (gun range vs aircraft range), but check the lines of communication. The Japanese could not sustain their presence there; the Americans could, and it would be up to the Americans to decide when they had the greater local strength.
Halsey is the other American admiral. Unfortunately, it is now fashionable to portray him as a dolt who knew nothing but blind aggression.
The Japanese decision to withdraw from Midway was the right one. The objective of defeating the US fleet was no longer possible, and the objective of capturing Midway was therefore a moot point–without the naval victory, a foothold in Hawaii would be untenable. In fact, Japan’s prospects for capturing Hawaiian territory were never any good.
To borrow a phrase, the Germans had bruised their jailer but remained in prison. Jutland changed nothing on a strategic level, which suited the British perfectly fine. The German fleet went on basically to rust its way thrpugh the end of the war. On the matter of British ammo, the most recent Warship volume has the third and concluding portion of the Riddle of the Shells series, which is recommended to all. It’s worth noting that the RN learned much at Jutland, and the Admiralty went on to develop some fine AP ammo. If you look at the post-war Baden firing trials, it was scary what the new 15in shells could do.
One British battleship at Jutland later went on to do what I think must be the craziest thing ever undertaken by a battleship. In 1940, Warspite went charging into the fjord at Narvik, which was crowded with German subs and destroyers. By all rights, she should have been torpedoed, but not only did she come out of it without a scratch, but she managed to sink a U-boat and lead a route of the German surface units.
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Ah yes, a good picture. You can see the front overhang of the bridge.
It does seem that Wolsey is the way to go.
This is fun, with everyone supplying different pieces of the puzzle.
Unfortunately Velox has nothing to do with it. (You can see the list of nominees in Wanshan’s post above.)
You need to look at a pic of a V/W Wair conversion. If you looked at a pre-conversion shot of Wallace, you would see the LA 4in single A and B mounts, a totally different bridge, and so on. I can probably find a picture of a Wair, but I don’t know how to post it here.
No, I’d still say Wallace is out of the running. Unlike a V/W conversion, she doesn’t have the forward overhang of the bridge.
I see that Wolsey had an L02 pennant. Is that possible?
Here are the Australian V/W’s that I can find: Vampire, Vendetta, Voyager, Waterhen. Did I miss any? All of these went into WWII still carrying their original battery of 4in single LA mounts. Vendetta did get a pair of HA guns, eventually, but not until c1943.
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Drat! That does make things somewhat more difficult.
By the way, I eliminated Valentine and Whitley as they had been sunk shortly before this particular evacuation photo.
“W class, Air action vessel”
Ah, that makes sense.
With Viceroy out of the running, I think we’ve narrowed it down to Wolsey and Woolston. Any comments on my read of the flat-sided funnel?
(Re “Tiornu”: I am a writer, and that is the name of a character in a novel I’m working on. Ultimately it comes from a Gaelic word for nobility.)
The Wair conversion (and I’m not sure why it got that nickname) was to specialize the ships as fast escorts. All of them carried the same 4in twin mounts, regardless of their original sub-class.
The V/W lineage began with the V-class flotilla leaders, meant as leaders for the R-class ships. The only ship in our list from this series is Valorous.
The V-class ships which followed (including Vanity, Vega, Verdun, Vivien, and Vimiera) were intended to form their own flotillas. They differed in some details from the leaders, but this would be difficult (impossible?) to pick out after their conversions. Thornycroft built two “special” units with certain machinery refinements; Viceroy was one of them.
A repeat order followed, and these were the W-class ships (including Westminster, Wryneck, Winchester, and Wolfhound), essentially identical except in originally carrying triple torpedo mounts that were unavailable for the previous series. Again, Thornycroft built a “special” pair, Wolsey and Woolston.
A couple more series came later, none of them figuring in this topic. Note that the Admiralty was not fastidious about exactly which names were nominally for which class (W-class Voyager, for example).
Wallace was not from a V or W class, but from the Shakespeare class, though some sources claim Shakespeare-class names were initially assigned to the V-class leaders.
Final note: an external feature of the Thornycroft “specials” was a flat-sided second funnel. To me, the ship in the photo appears to have a flat-sided funnel (making it Wolsey, Woolston, or Viceroy), but I wouldn’t advise you to trust my eyes. What do you think?
Wallace lacked the forward overhang of the bridge, so I’d guess it isn’t she. I can’t get more specific, but it is likely one of the following: Valorous, Vanity, Vega, Verdun, Viceroy, Vimiera, Vivien, Westminster, Winchester, Wolfhound, Wolsey, Woolston, Wryneck.
I’m really not good at ship recognition, but I guess I ought to give this a shot.
I’m fairly certain that we’re seeing a Wair conversion of an old V/W class leftover of WWI vintage. You can see the 4in twin mount. There were c13 such ships in service at the time of Dunkirk.
I’ve bruised my forehead many times trying to distinguish BCs from BBs. The fast battleship of the post-treaty period is basically a BB-BC hybrid, so splitting the hair tends to be a futile pursuit. You can call them BB or BC, and that’s fine with me. If we really feel compelled to pick one way or the other, I’d say the best choice is BB–that’s what the Scharnhorsts were officially rated as, and I feel no need to disagree.