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  • in reply to: Your Favorite Warship? #2051403
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    My choice is a strange one, I think, but it’s the first thing that came to mind: the Italian dreadnought Cavour. She’s the loveliest battleship, in my opinion, though I’m not sure that “lovely” is what you want in your battle line.

    in reply to: Return of the Battleships??? #2052348
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    Admitting my thorough ignorance about the arsenal ship (and modern systems in general), I would have grave concerns about the stability and stress issues inherent in splicing an Iowa turret onto this ship. What are the dimensions and displacement of the arsenal ship?

    in reply to: a ship called waterland in 1942 #2052609
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    Wow, it’s amazing the stuff you can dig up.

    in reply to: a ship called waterland in 1942 #2052645
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    There was a Dutch steamer by that name owned by the Royal Holland Lloyd. It survived the war, but I know nothing about its wartime service. At 6847grt, she was large enough for most jobs.

    in reply to: Return of the Battleships??? #2052691
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    Figures for Baltimore’s crew complement range from 1426 to 2039; for Iowa, I see figures from 1921 to 2700.

    in reply to: Return of the Battleships??? #2052704
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    I don’t know if this is a helpful guide, but after the Baltimore class heavy cruisers, the US went to auto 8in guns, and the weight of a triple turret went from 300 tons to 450 tons. A little of that went to slightly thickened armor, but most was the weight of the mount gear. Iowa turrets start at 1700 tons….

    in reply to: INTERESTING SHIPS #2052769
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    The NHC recently posted a whole section of Spring Styles from the WWII years. My favorite is the Iowa class aircraft carrier.
    http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/albums/s511.htm

    in reply to: Return of the Battleships??? #2053181
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    The Iowas are really old. Let them retire gracefully.
    In the unlikely even that new construction does take place, though the ships might be called battleships, they would more probably be monitors.

    in reply to: The mighty Kirov vs the mighty Iowa #2053872
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    Yes, Iowa’s radar was far more advanced than Yamato’s. In fact, the Japanese never had a dedicated fire-control radar. It’s possible that Yamato did generate FC data via radar at Samar, but if it came to that, Iowa had countermeasures and I don’t believe Yamato had any.
    Nuke1 has an important point, and to go a step further, radar doesn’t necessarily need incoming fire to knock it out; outgoing can do the job just as effectively.
    Some time ago, Norman Friedman wrote an article for USNI Proceedings in which he argued that Iowa was to be favored over Yamato in a gunfight. So who ya gonna believe, me or the most respected battleship researcher in America? (I have to find a better way to word that.) Actually Friedman’s essay shows the bent that routinely skews the Iowa-v-Yamato hypotheticals in Iowa’s favor. It chooses a scenario that plays entirely to Iowa’s strengths and then assumes that matters proceed without a glitch.

    in reply to: The mighty Kirov vs the mighty Iowa #2053913
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    “what would those be?”
    Iowa has no Immune Zone against 46cm shells. Yamato has a decent IZ somewhere around the 20-30,000yd band. I’ll let someone else run the calculations.

    “but the often cited reason for a victorious IOWA is due to its higher accuracy at longer range.”
    Iowa would likely be more accurate any any range, assuming her radar is working. Even when visual range is clear, radar can be a help.

    “A range that the Yamatos couldn’t effectively engage.”
    Yamato could top-spot her salvoes at ranges beyond 40,000 yards, depending on the conditions.

    “Imp. Japanese warships are also known to be extrememly unstable due to their tendency to be very top heavy.”
    Please note that a topheavy ship will be a steadier gun platform. However, this is not an issue here. Both Yamato and Iowa are in the “sweet spot” of stability. Iowa had a GM of 9.26 feet, while Yamato had a bit more stability with a GM of 9.81 feet. Thus they are both between 8-9% in GM/beam ratio. (A well designed ship will be in the 5-10% range.) In fact, Yamashiro, Nagato, and Kongo all showed perfectly fine stability figures, so it would be a mistake to foresee a problem. These were not Tomozurus.

    “apparently the Higher muzzle velocity of the Iowa”
    Yamato had a higher muzzle velocity.

    “the superior rangefinding equpiment”
    I like radar, but otherwise, wouldn’t we have to say Yamato had the superior rangefinding equipment?

    “the better top speed”
    I don’t know how Iowa’s speed advantage, impressive though it is, would be much of a factor except in allowing her to escape if things turn against her. However, the one-on-one duel is such an artificiality that who knows?

    Having said all that, I still see Iowa as the better ship. She’s a lot more versatile than Yamato.

    in reply to: The mighty Kirov vs the mighty Iowa #2053964
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    “Iowa loses? AAAATTT!! Wrong answer”
    Yes, I know there’s a tendency to romanticize about Iowa taking on big bad Yamato, as well as a tendency to couch the “versus” in terms of a scenario that plays to Iowa’s strengths. There’s also a fair amount of outright misinformation, including some I noticed in another thread here. But in the end, the disparity in the two ships’ relative vulnerability is too great a disadvantage for Iowa to overcome. Could she defeat Yaamto? Certainly. Is that the most likely outcome? No.

    in reply to: The mighty Kirov vs the mighty Iowa #2053979
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    “About the capability of the Shipwreck missiles, i would remember the sad fate of the Roma battleship, sunk by two Fritz-X”
    I know nothing about modern weaponry; can the Shipwreck specifically attack decks? If it cannot, it won’t have the trajectory of a plunging Fritz-X and simple armor-penetration won’t matter much. Does the warhead have any delay action?

    “Iowa vs Yamato”
    Yamato.

    “or Iowa vs Tirpitz”
    Iowa.

    “how bout Nagato vs Maryland?”
    Maryland never got a thorough modernization. During most time periods, I would tend to favor Nagato.

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