Europe has no need for a 5th gen fighter besides the F-35. Europe also cannot afford a 6th gen fighter program that isn’t a multinational work share program. Ergo no single European country will develop their own 5th or 6th gen fighter, unless we’re talking about UAS.
Even Russia needed Indian financing for Pak Fa. At this rate I doubt Russia can go it alone with 6th gen either.

Russia spends 5.6% of its GDP in the military
Europe spends less than 2.1% and its GDP is more than 10 times the one of Russia
Therefore, Europe could certainly afford the developement of a 5th or 6th generation a/c if it had the will to do so.

Both the F-22 an F-35 have proved to be a disappointment by being poorly engineered and so over priced that they are a money sink. This results in the USAF if extending the life of 40 year old F-16s and F-15s to continue to be the main frontline fighters. As for europe, the eurocanards are way overpriced at $100M+ so I dont expect any european nations to develop anything new when they cant afford to buy current technology.

The only reason the F-15 and F-16 are still the back bone of the USAF after 40 years is because the soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

Reading what’s been written confirms the adage that beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder..

you guys need to be more scientific

A good question.. there is that urge to consider this dish as traditionally Argentinian but frankly, I have no reasons it really belongs there..

Now, that thread starts to make sense :angel:

What is important is how you prepare and cook the meat as well as how the beef was raised.
The problem with the British is that they have no clue how to cook a piece of meat properly… not to mention the rest of the meal (wine, sauce, spices).

The same goes for every meals, including snails and frog legs… if you know how to cook it well, it’s gonna be delicious.

As British steak is a disater most of time… a single bite of British snails would probably kill you. :very_drunk:

Yeah, because everybody buys an aircraft just for today and to hell with the next 40 years right?

No, but it might be wise to purchase your fighter fleet on actual capabilities rather than promises.

So basically the Rafale may be the best choice for developing nations so that they can steal technology.

And the F-35 may be the best choice for nations who don’t mind outsourcing their air force to the USAF as long as they get low tech industrial leftovers ? :p

Russia shouldn’t admit anything at all ever. The USA get off with so blatant lies constantly and nobody seems to give a rat’s ****. However if Russia officially stated anything of anykind, all the western media would be all over it in the blink of an eye.

Nic

So just because you are not satisfied by the “western” coverage of US fvckups, you want the Russian ones to be covered up ?
What a weird logic.

BTW, be reassured, US fvckups get a lot of coverage in Russian and Chineese media :angel:

You are actually right, one should not just assume that “Detection” refers to the radar only; perhaps it is something more than that.

Actually, “detection range” is defined as follow in the Swiss evaluation :

“Detection includes as subtasks the capability to detect a target by all sensors (Radar, CIT, IRST, RWS etc.)”

Unfortunately, there is no clue about what subtasks were included in the Air Policing “acquisition” and “engagment” MET

Type it into image search. The Rafale radar had better detection and the EW system was better but the Typhoon’s engagement was better, and aircraft performance (9 vs 7) and pilot workload (9 vs 8) were significantly better. So I suspect when the 2021 update to Radar 2 and DASS P4E occur the Typhoon will win on most fronts.

As indicated in the title of the chart, these scores reffer to the phase II of the Swiss evaluation which compares the versions of Rafale and Typhoon that were to be available in 2015 (Rafale F3 O-4T vs Typhoon T3 P1E).
This means that this chart compares a Rafale with a RBE-2 AESA (well, at least one of the prototypes available in 2009) and a Typhoon with the captor-M.

As noted by Nic, the engagement score has more to do with the kinematic performance of the typhoon + aim-120C7 than the radar range (which is directly correlated to the detection and acquisition scores).
It is also worth noting that this chart is for the Air-policing mission only. for OCA and DCA missions, the gap in favor of the Rafale was higher.