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  • in reply to: What if scenario involving Chinese carrier Liaoning #2300497
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    Rate the likelyhood of the CN pressing the Liaoning into service if China has to evacuate its citizens from some distant country. I am thinking of a Libya type scenario where Chinese nationals were told to immediately leave the country when the Libyan government fell and China was hard pressed to quickly pull its people out.

    Hard pressed? I remember reading they chartered a ship and got them out quickly and even some other nationals got to hitch a ride because their countries couldn’t get them out quick enough.

    in reply to: J-20 Thread 8 #2300719
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    Well you threw out credibility when you said China has 117S. If that were true then it blows up the whole propaganda that Russia is withholding selling 117S or Su-35 in small numbers because of said fear of copying the engine.

    in reply to: YAL-1 vs gen 4.5 , gen 5 fighter #2304555
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    I do not understand why you insist in talking about ICBMs in a discussion about a weapon that was not intended to the deal with ICBMs.

    Knocking out ICBMs is how it was promoted at first. Now it’s not just proves my point about hype.

    No – as I have just explained, it could be 500 km or more downrange from the launch point. When the threat was a 1,300 km range missile, the ABL would have remained outside of Iranian and North Korean territory.

    Moon light says 5-6 secs at 500 km. That’s a long time to fix your laser at the same spot.

    The ABL was never intended to engage cruise missiles.

    And that’s why an enemy can circumvent ABL and the ideal conditions that are needed to make this work.

    in reply to: YAL-1 vs gen 4.5 , gen 5 fighter #2304604
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    Again that’s why I brought up, “ideal conditions.” You’re not going to dictate what your enemy does so you can win. Your airbourne laser is going to be a big RCS target and easily knocked down by other means than just SAMs. I love how low level attackers can be brought into the mix yet somehow the enemy is relegated to only having SAMs, and only near the ICBM launch, which conveniently your laser can supposedly knocked down too. So the enemy just has to fire SAMs and its ICBMs at the same time and since it takes five seconds to knock them down, you pretty much can’t do both. How about firing a SAM after the airbourne laser passes by? Since the laser is on the nose, it’s going to have to do some evasive maneuvering, thus lose the ballistic missile as a target. Sorry to tell you but your airbourne laser has to be in the vincinity of a launch in order to have a chance to knock it down. So unless your hostile country is Gilligan’s Island with a ballistic missile, you’re out of luck. Also if we’re not talking about ICBMs, then the enemy just has to use cruise missiles. A cruise missile will probably have a similar heat signature to a fighter. If as someone said previously this laser cannot target a fighter because of the lower heat signature then you can’t knock down a cruise missile.

    in reply to: YAL-1 vs gen 4.5 , gen 5 fighter #2304824
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    even the S-400 can only reach 400 km :confused: so i dont think the 500-600 km of YAL-1 is short , not to mention it can shotdown SAM as well , and the smaller SAM seem to be easier to intercept than ICBM :rolleyes:

    A nuclear armed country is going to have more tricks up their sleeves than that. Like an adversary is only going to have air defenses around the ICBM? You’re a perfect example of what I’m talking about ideal conditions. You need a S-400 stationed next to the ICBM being launched in order for this laser to get a chance. How far does this airbourne laser have to travel to get into range? Sorry to tell you but the country you want to stop isn’t going to allow an enemy airbourne laser to loiter over their territory just so it can knock down one of their ICBMs. You can have this laser how far outside enemy territory then when a launch is detected how fast can it get into range? The answer is the US would’ve already been hit by that ICBM by the time it gets into range. That’s called too late. Now who’s rolling eyes?

    in reply to: YAL-1 vs gen 4.5 , gen 5 fighter #2304874
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    Short as in short enough to be shot down by enemy defenses. I doubt that story or we would’ve seen a more impressive demonstration than the one shown in the video. Like defense contractors don’t fudge performance in order to keep tax payers money coming in?

    in reply to: YAL-1 vs gen 4.5 , gen 5 fighter #2304892
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    It’s all hype. Laser energy dissipates the longer the distance. So that means the longer the laser will have to be trained on the target in order to burn through. They’re tricking you so you can go wow in that video seeing the laser and the target in action in the same picture. All that says is it’s works in short range and in the most ideal conditions. Short range enough to be easily shot down.

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 16 #2309540
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    Non-sense.

    Non-sense again.

    Non-sense three times.

    Chinese are literally decades behind the West in avionics; this is according to foreign customers of Chinese weapons like Pakistan.

    Nonsense or the West wouldn’t be all peeing in their skirts over China spending money on their military. If they were that backwards, why would they care? We’re always hearing how people want China treated like how Reagan did with the Soviet Union going bankrupt trying to catch up with the West. Doesn’t this serve that end? Yet all we hear is the whining.

    in reply to: Y20 thread #2311961
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    I just took another look at the landing after the first flight.
    Can it be that the nose landing gear actually touches ground and then lifts up again?
    The aircraft seems to pitch up AFTER touchdown, lifting the nose landing gear well above the surface.

    Crappy piloting or crappy engineering?

    Wishing thinking or denial?

    I bet you saw the bad quality footage of the angle from the front. Look at the other video where you get a side angle and it doesn’t touch the ground at all.

    in reply to: PLAN News Thread #4 #2004947
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    I didn’t start the off topic rant so it’s in context since you didn’t have a problem with who did. It’s the same excuse of making a historical claim.

    in reply to: PLAN News Thread #4 #2004955
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    You mean like fabricating evidence to go to war with Iraq over WMDs that were never found for a terrorist attack comitted by mostly Saudis whose leader was hiding in Afghanistan? How about Grenada or Panama? What about leaders elected in a democracy that the West doesn’t like therefore bully until the democracy picks a leader that meets with teh West’s approval. Pretty hypocrtical to go around calling others bullies.

    Weaker neighbors? I wouldn’t call Japan a weaker neighbor. And look at that weaker neighbor the Philippines who had their militia invade Malayasian territory calling it historically belonging to the Philippines. Malayasian military forces have suffered some casualties from the invasion.

    in reply to: Y20 thread #2251422
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    I was just about to post that video.

    Here’s another at an airport. You don’t see it as it touches the ground because the camera doesn’t catch it but as it rolls down the runway.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRKgBaz9HJM

    in reply to: Y20 thread #2252090
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    I read someone post how the empennage on the Y-20 when it first came out was a sign of poor overall aerodynamic design. What does that say of the C-17 then?

    in reply to: what is this helicoter #2257557
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    It looks like the one they used in Zero Dark Thirty and it fits the timeline.

    in reply to: J-20 Thread 8 #2262028
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    J 20 is very big,fat and long for a fighter even in the heavy fighter class,its empty weight whould almost certainly be 50,000lb+ and its wing loading whould be very high and heavy because of its small wings and wing area even with the canards. I am confused is it confirmed that J20 is longer than 21 meters?

    If you want to say the same for a Su-33… yes. Why don’t you check the recent satellite images. It’s shorter.

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