And you think it’s a L-15 with that much security? Richard Fisher says that’s the super secret never acknowledged DF-41. Where’s the security for that ICBM? If you don’t need it for an ICBM, why does a L-15 need it?

Oh yeah a probe from the nose means it’s not a stealth fighter.

It’s more serious than it’s being portrayed that’s if what they charging is true. Yet none of those more serious implications like top secret infiltration are mentioned. Yet they’re only charging counterfeit parts. This is about military contractors trying to increase their profits by finding a cheaper alternative to parts that are commercially available. If these parts were not commercially available how would China know how to make a part they don’t have access to unless of some espionage. Yet they’re only charging counterfeit parts. Polticians that are in the pocket of defense contractors blaming a foreign country? No, this is purely about US defense contractors making every penny they can and corrupt politicians protecting them.

Christ you are thick.

WHAT SAME RUSSIAN SOURCE?!?! I don’t give a **** if the same source posted an article that said Chinese people come from Mars. The China SU-35 article was posted in MANY Russian sources. Look at the specific article in question, not the source (Rian or whatever). This one had a named official, reporting on the talks. Not once, but a number of times, including @ Major arms expos.

Even if there was an article about T-50 engines on J-20 posted by say Rian, it does nothing to change the Su-35 article, and its quoted sources.

However, this is all irrelevant, since you have yet to actually post this T-50 engine article you keep rambling about.
I recall a few articles suggesting the J-20 may have Russian engines (not a wild suggestion by any means, mind you), but nothing by quoted, connected officials, from Rosoboronexport, Saturn, Salut, Sukhoi, whatever.

By the way, since we are doubting sources based on their previous statements- I guess anything that comes from the Chinese Ministry of Truth must be lies- since you know, they habitually deny anything that makes China look bad, like a certain protest in a certain square. THis is your “logic”.

And Russia lies just like you think China lies which you don’t believe their official denial that they aren’t seeking to buy the Su-35. And Western news media report what Pinkov, a Canadian blogger who writes about China, puts on his blog. The guy that said the Varyag has no arrestor cables because the Russians wouldn’t sell them any. And what happens after that, there are pictures of arrestor cables on the Varyag. Just because the media says it it has to be true or they just don’t report on what other sources report? You’re that naive?

For your information I’m not Chinese. So quit assuming like you’ve always been doing in coming up with your flawed logic.

If so you are being a poor devil’s advocate, as you are putting words in his mouth. He has outlined his logic in this post, and it has hardly anything in common with what you say he was claiming:

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1880065&postcount=224

He has no proof that China wanted to buy the SU-35. He’s speculating. I’m speculating. Get it? You can make anything up using the flimsiest of information. Where’s this proof again that China wanted to buy the Su-35 but Russia denied because of concern over intellectual property theft? And if so then why did the same source say Russia sold a few advanced engines meant for the T-50 that were on the J-20 prototype flying? Not concerned about intellectual property theft there? When the logic is full of it, outlining it doesn’t change it from being full of it.

All I was doing was drawing conclusion like TR1 was doing to make a point. My points were designed to be disputed because it was drawing from the same flawed logic as TR1 was throwing out there to prove it to be so.

1.) Saying “i love how you get enraged’ just make you sound butthurt and angry. But whatever makes you feel better I guess.

2.) You seriously need to learn to read. I never said China NEEDS the Su-35, don’t make things up again.

3.) What is this logic you keep flouting? All I said was that the reports don’t seem unreasonable to me, both in terms of the talks and why they did not go through. Did I say anything about this deal impacting Chinese confidence in their Flanker rip-offs? Or their further programs? NO! I think China is mostly comitted to the domestic route, and they never intended to buy a large batch of Su-35s–WHICH IS WHAT THE RUSSIAN SIDE CITED AS THE MAIN ISSUE TO ANY DEAL. That does NOTHING to dispell the real possibility of them being in talks at one point, about a small Su-35 batch.

4.) Not gonna respond to your nonsense about India’s supposed F-35 interest saying something about their commitment to PAK-FA, or this drivel about China/Russia leverage. It does show perfectly what I meant though, when I said it is funny how the response to these possible talks is incredibly irrational by some certain forum members.

This is supposed to back up your claim how India is moving away from Russian planes, and Russian exports are dying?

You just don’t get it. Big surpise! It doesn’t matter what I can or can’t prove to you. I was using your logic on how you can come up with the conclusion China did seek to buy the Su-35 when they already officailly denied it. If you don’t like my conclusions then your conclusions are full of it. Russian sources are not proof just like the same source said Russia sold T-50 engines for the J-20. If Russia was all worried about intellectual theft to which they were the one to deny sale of the Su-35 because of it, then why did they apparently sell a few of their advanced engine that China doesn’t have if they’re worried over it? You guys make so much crap up that you can’t even keep track of your own lies that they eventuallly contradict one another.

Ok, so you purposefully ignore the BS you failed to defend, and your logically nonsensical arguments, alright, I will let that go.

So, moving on specifically to the Su-35 issue.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showp…&postcount=224

I will once again post my thoughts on it. I don’t find them to be unreasonable, and I don’t find the Rosoboronexport reports of contact re: Su-35 to be unreasonable as well.

You are free to dismiss that and only listen to what the Chinese government has to say on the matter (because we know, unlike Russian sources, the Chinese government is a 100% source of truth on any event), that is your choice. But calling those Russian reports are some kind of lunar impossibility is silly.

That’s not proof and you perfectly ignore doing what you demand others to do. I love how enraged you get just because I used your own logic. You make your conclusions that China needs Su-35s just because they still buy engines? Well if India is looking at the F-35, then by your own logic, that’s a vote of no confidence on what Russia has to offer. India would know since they’re an insider. Plus if China can’t do anything without Russia, why don’t they stop selling engines or anything? The whole Chinese army would fall apart according to you and Russia would have so much leverage on China. So why won’t they do that? It’s not like they can turn to the West to buy arms.