Agree, but since the US export laws prevents that I would go for the F-15K like solution I mention earlier.
The Obey Amendement dosen’t prevent export exclusively, but rather forbids the USAF from undertaking FMS activites related to the Raptor. Former Air Vice Marshal Peter Criss, who has come out and said we should buy the Raptor, was involved in talks with the USAF on a new fighter when they offered us the Raptor. And that was back in ’99, way before Congress even considered allowing it to be exported.
As for AEW&C proliferation lets there’s Taiwan, Singapore and Japan who already have the capability, India, China, Pakistan and South Korea who will soon have it operational and Malaysia and Thailand who are making inquiries on the subject.
I was talking about countries which hypothetically we could go to war.
The Su-27 is not capable of a BVR shot at a incoming F-111?:rolleyes:
I assumed buster was talking about a WVR engagement. Besides, as Silvia said, F-111s wouldn’t act as single penetrators but as part of a larger strike package including fighter escorts.
The F-111 was a good aircraft in its day … but that day is done. It would struggle to survive in a modern air defence environment.
Flying low and fast might have saved you in the 60s, 70s or even 80s but in this day and age it won’t hide you from AWACs and it won’t save you from being ripped apart by an SU-27.
Having long range and high payload capability is not the be all and end all.
The same argument put forward time and again by defence and disproven every time. Besides the Chinese, who else in our region has AWACS? Unless an SU-27 is close enough to take a missile shot, given the F-111’s internal fuel capacity and the fact that it is the fastest Western aircraft in squadron service, chances are the SU-27 will have run out of fuel trying to catch up. For an Air Force responsible for defending 1/5th of the Earth’s surface, range and payload are the be all and the end all.
That’s not entirely correct. The Department of Defence exagerates the F-111’s maintainence costs to the point of absurdity. In their testimony to the JSCDFT Inquiry into Air Superiority, the costs in operating the F-111 increased tenfold from 2003!
In the Defence Annual Budget for 99/00, the Strike Reconnaissance capability (F-111) only cost 17.3% of the RAAF’s annual budget, the same as that for the AP-3C Orion fleet. The Air Power Australia submission to the Inquiry calculated the F-111 Total Cost of Ownership for the F-111 fleet out to 2020 as 2,224.5 million. And yes, I know, APA is Carlo Kopp. However, the calculations were based upon publicly available data. Now, I don’t wish to get into a debate over him nor wether the F-111 can be kept in service, but I wish people would take a look at the publicly available data on the actual costs of the RAAF F-111 fleet before making assumptions.
… or duct taping the F-111s together and hoping for the best …
Where do people get this idea that the F-111 is a decript old bird about to fall out of the sky at any moment? I spoke to pilots and maintainers at the Richmond Air Show and they where quite adamant that the F-111 is a very structurally sound aircraft.
Does this mean that you are going to change your log in to Ozpiglet
😀
But then people might mistake me for being a F-35 fan rather then an F-111 fan! Single-engined fighters are for girls. 😉
Two engines would be nice… 😀
AardPiglet is a nickname for the Aussie F-35… since it is to replace the F-111 Aardvark (the “Pig”), but is much smaller.
I like it! Hopefully it will come into common useage and the Pig will live on! 😀
Which plane indeed ,I have seen it referred as the Aardpiglet on another thread somewhere
That’s a new one. I’m a hardcore Pig buff, but I’ve never heard it called that before!
Thanks, Scooter. Buying an A model, but the stronger gear of the C model…which plane does that remind me of? 😉
I’m pretty sure, though, the Australian F-35 will be boom refuelled given our MRTTs are being fitted with the EADS ARBS, but they have wing pods as well, although I assume they’re just for the F/A-18.
A-13X, nice what-if! Correct me if I’m wrong but people keep bringing up the possibility that Super Hornets could refuel F-35s, but isn’t the ‘A’ model only equipped with a receptacle?
Concerning the range issue, a split buy of F-35s and F-15E+ would seem ideal to me. I’m uncomfortable with Australia having a single-tier Air Force, especially as the JSF is single-engined.
It’s a shame there is no Western equivalent to the SU-34, it would be the perfect replacement for the R/F-111C/G fleet. 🙁
Great pics Slippery Sam! You sure do have a nice collection. I love that line up of Mirage IIIOs and F-111s. 😉
I can see one glaring omission in those decals–no RAAF Scheme. Yet there is one in Canadian and one in West German colours! Had history taken a different course, surely Australia would have been the first foreign TSR.2 customer. To my knowledge, Australia was the only foreign country to express an interest in the TSR.2 but were dissuaded by the then Chief of the Defence Staff Lord Mountbatten.
