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Malcolm Fillmore of Air Britain says amongst others
“This was interesting since I hadn’t had that accident previously listed.”
“I think there can be almost no doubt that the Avro 504 in question was 504N G-ADGB. This is despite the wholly erroneous (and linked) information published on Aviation Safety Network “
“Zenith only ever had two Avro 504N’s G-ADGB and G-ADGC. G-ADGC was never overhauled and eventually ended up with John Coxon of Southern Motor Co at Croydon (later Gatwick) in 1937. G-ADGB was known to have been operating from Camber Sands and its registration was cancelled in June 1936 as wfu. It is also shown as having been ‘sold’ in First quarter 1936 in the ICANS Registers. Since its CofA was never renewed after first being issued 19 June 1935, it was probably sold for spares/scrap and from a lack of any further published information, one can reasonably assume that after the accident, Zenith Airways simply packed up – possibly as a result of adverse publicity or that the owner of Zenith (who appears to have been a passenger in the accident) thought better of the project.”
“G-ADGB was one of four Avro 504Ns acquired ex RAF by Aviation Commerce Limited at Croydon; two (G-ADGB/C) were sold on to LJ Braddock & partners (seemingly founders of Zenith Airways) and two (G-ADGM/N) were initially retained although G-ADGM was registered to Aircraft & Autos Ltd (a company owned by John Coxon) a few days after its CofA was issued in July 1935 (it was later probably operated by Chilworth Flying Club on joyflights). “
“Aviation Safety Network also state therein that G-ADGC was never registered to Zenith. But it was – CofR no.5949 was issued to Zenith Airways Ltd of Camber Sands on 6 June 1935”.
Almost their – Can see 18 gallon tank
Avro aircraft since 1908 – Page 105
Avro 504K Mk.II In 1924 the Hamble works produced a hybrid trainer known as the Avro 504K Mk.II
and consisting of a flat sided 504K fuselage married to 504N – type undercarriage and mainplanes.
The reasons underlying the creation of this strange variant were twofound, firstly to enable
air forces of the smaller nations to modernise their 504K trainers using Avro-built
conversion kits,or alternatively to provide low price 504N equivalents powered by
cheap surplus 100 hp Gnome Monosoupape rotaries. While there is no record of
conversion taking place overseas, a very similar machine, named the vro Anahuac, was built under licence in the Mexican Air Force workshops at Balbuena, serials round and about 53.
The Avro 504K Mk.II was shelved but in 1935 four ex-RAF Avro 504N airframes, long stored at Croydon, were brought out and converted into joyriding three-seaters with 130 hp Clerget engines. They were
therefore equivalent to the Avro 504K Mk II of 11 years previously differing from
the prototype only in the type of engine, rounded sides, untapered ailerons, absence of
wingtip skids and fuel tankage. The 1935 machines had one 18 gallon tank under
the port upper wing root in the manner of the Mongoose- …
… They were registered G-ADGB, ‘GC, ‘GM and ‘GN but work on G- ADGC was not completed.
The other three endured one season’s joyriding at Camber Sands, Sussex, with Zenith Airways, although ‘GM and ‘GN were nominally owned by Aircraft and Autos Ltd and Aviation Commerce Ltd of Croydon respectively. None flew after 1935 …
As J8758, Avro 504N, had ground accident Duxford 7 Oct,1928, it is possible that it would have been able to be converted with a flat fuselage – Shame that newspaper photos is not lighter – So a serial can be read
The plane which ditched was Moth G-EBVK
Paul
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Thames Incident 10th Dec 1934
G-EBV?
Based on photo
Published: Monday 07 September 1936
Newspaper: The Scotsman
NARROW ESCAPES RECALLED Mr Tonge had served in the R.A.F. He was unmarried, and lived in West. Avenue, Wallington. Some years ago he ran out of petrol while over London, and put his machine safely in the Thames opposite the Houses of Parliament, then stepped off the sinking machine to a barge. Last year he was Flying at Camber Sands, and engine trouble developed. For a moment or two it looked as if he would land on the crowded beach. but with great presence of mind he swerved the machine, and landed at the edge of the shore. A few months a Tonge had another narrow escape. from the North Country with two passengers, he ran into heavy mist, and to avoid hitting a hillside, put the machine into a tree. He suffered head injuries, but his passengers were unhurt. It is probable that engine trouble developed this time, as Mr Tonge, in such circumstances. favoured lending in a tree to break impact with the ground.
PS
His name definitely
Bartholomew’ Furse Tonge (aged 27 or 28), of Wallington, Surrey
His Obit appears in Dundee Evening Telegraph and Post Page 5 Monday 07 September 1936
Says younger son of Mr and Mrs Thomas Tonge of Dundee
Scotlands People has
TONGE
BARTHOLOMEW FUR
M
1907
282/4 1396
St Andrew (Dundee)
I suppose it could be
Avro 504K Mk.II
G-ADGC J9689, registered 23.4.35 to L. J. Braddock and partners, Croydon; Zenith Airways Ltd., Camber Sands, Sussex 6.35; registration cancelled 1.36
So looks like without doubt based on the Braddock link
British civil aircraft, 1919-1972, Volume 1
Avro 504K Mk.II
G-ADGB J8758, 19.6.35 L J. Braddock and partners, Croydon, Zenith Airways Ltd, Camber Sands, Sussex 6.35; registration cancelled 6.36
Gloucester Citizen – Friday 23 August 1935 page 7
No Date, but as this daily paper suggest Thursday 22 August 1935
Says pilot was Sgt- Pilot Bart Tonge, RAF Reserve and landed heavily on beach. The passengers included Mr J L Braddock (owner of machine) and a woman
This is Bartholomew Furze Tonge RAF #700252
Mustang51 Photo sent Paul
Mustang51 just tied to post image here no dice can you send me an email address
Mustang51
Air Britain for MV763 says 183/54 then sold 25.5.48 for RIAF the book says HA554? But I have sometime changed it to HA586
i updated Mw764 HA554
BTW a number of “Near” Tempests including MW755 and MW772 to MW774 are marked 183/54 and ME768 is Marked 183/247
paul
Mustang51
I think (looking at ORB’s online) you will not find serials of Tempests in 183 ORB (I never looked in detail at 54 Sqn – but based on the compiler of 183 Sqn records moving on to compiling the 54 Sqn records – I would not be too hopeful). My gut feeling is that the info is ONLY on the aircraft movement card @Hendon
I will assume it will say MW763 -> 183 Sqn (and a date) the ‘internal transfer’ to 54 Sqn in Nov 1945 MAY NOT Be recorded as a separate item (thus “no 54 Sqn service”) – Its next record may be to 20 MU Oct 1946
If someone has the Air Britain serials book for MW763 I would be interested to see what it says, as this will be a edited version of what is based on Movement Card
Mason may have just gone through Air Britain serials book and just listed all 183 Sqn Tempests, or he may have looked at the original Movement cards and generated his list from these
Paul