JJRE: Arthur’s fine
Relax, I was just joking. It’s about the same here in The Netherlands though.
JJRE: Arthur’s fine
Relax, I was just joking. It’s about the same here in The Netherlands though.
JJRE: Arthur’s fine
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 29-06-02 AT 10:25 AM (GMT)]The last time I had a chat to Helen about the foreign policy for NZ she said, “Who the hell are you, how did you get in here… SECURITY arrest this man!”
We get consulted once every 3-4 years… it is called election time (which we are going through at the moment).
That is what democracy means.
Maybe NZ isn’t so perfect after all }>. At least here in The Netherlands one can go to The Hague and talk to politicians. I guess Israel is a bit different, but that’s logical.
JJRE: Arthur’s fine
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 29-06-02 AT 10:25 AM (GMT)]The last time I had a chat to Helen about the foreign policy for NZ she said, “Who the hell are you, how did you get in here… SECURITY arrest this man!”
We get consulted once every 3-4 years… it is called election time (which we are going through at the moment).
That is what democracy means.
Maybe NZ isn’t so perfect after all }>. At least here in The Netherlands one can go to The Hague and talk to politicians. I guess Israel is a bit different, but that’s logical.
JJRE: Merkava IV unveiled today
Some more high-quality pics. Enjoy them.
http://web.referent.ru:2003/nvk/forum/files/Bob/Merkava-4.1.jpg
http://web.referent.ru:2003/nvk/forum/files/Bob/Merkava-4.2.jpg
http://web.referent.ru:2003/nvk/forum/files/Bob/Merkava-4.3.jpg
Shalom,
Jonathan
JJRE: Merkava IV unveiled today
Some more high-quality pics. Enjoy them.
http://web.referent.ru:2003/nvk/forum/files/Bob/Merkava-4.1.jpg
http://web.referent.ru:2003/nvk/forum/files/Bob/Merkava-4.2.jpg
http://web.referent.ru:2003/nvk/forum/files/Bob/Merkava-4.3.jpg
Shalom,
Jonathan
JJRE: Arthur’s fine
What I mean is that SH will not manually fire the weapon himself.
He must have some trusted group to look after it for him.
Amongst this trusted group it is likely that many people would be required for a launch simply because any one of them could be corrupted either from the US or SH local enemies/rivals.
Well, considering that this corrupted group will certainly come from the same minority clan as Saddam, it get’s all the more spooky. As said, in the event of a coup they will all go down. Most likely Saddam, or anyone in his group will think: ‘well, if I can’t have Iraq, the nobody can. And whle we’re at it, why not destroy those pesky Jews?’ That is what I’m afraid of. Not to forget Saddam himself ordering the use of nukes. And then of course, he’ll also blackmail many of his neighbours once he has the bomb.
The declared goal of their leaders… maybe enough would like some peace and freedom of movement to make it work… or am I being too idealistic to assume they are human too…
Maybe you should check out one opinion poll or two. Over 50% wants Israel destroyed, support for the suicide bombings is 80%. Mothers encourage their children to become suicide bombers. And lastly, it’s their leaders who call the shots, not the people. They’re not really a democracy, you know.
Shalom,
Jonathan
JJRE: Arthur’s fine
What I mean is that SH will not manually fire the weapon himself.
He must have some trusted group to look after it for him.
Amongst this trusted group it is likely that many people would be required for a launch simply because any one of them could be corrupted either from the US or SH local enemies/rivals.
Well, considering that this corrupted group will certainly come from the same minority clan as Saddam, it get’s all the more spooky. As said, in the event of a coup they will all go down. Most likely Saddam, or anyone in his group will think: ‘well, if I can’t have Iraq, the nobody can. And whle we’re at it, why not destroy those pesky Jews?’ That is what I’m afraid of. Not to forget Saddam himself ordering the use of nukes. And then of course, he’ll also blackmail many of his neighbours once he has the bomb.
The declared goal of their leaders… maybe enough would like some peace and freedom of movement to make it work… or am I being too idealistic to assume they are human too…
Maybe you should check out one opinion poll or two. Over 50% wants Israel destroyed, support for the suicide bombings is 80%. Mothers encourage their children to become suicide bombers. And lastly, it’s their leaders who call the shots, not the people. They’re not really a democracy, you know.
Shalom,
Jonathan
JJRE: Merkava IV unveiled today
The engine is indeed still in the front, as you can read in the links I provided. I don’t know if they shortened the tank though, it could be that because it’s higher, it looks shorter.
JJRE: Merkava IV unveiled today
The engine is indeed still in the front, as you can read in the links I provided. I don’t know if they shortened the tank though, it could be that because it’s higher, it looks shorter.
JJRE: Arthur’s fine
This is quite true, but any coup would probably take into account any nuclear weapons… especially if planned in Washington. Lets face it in a coup type situation you describe the Iraqi people have as much to fear from SH as Israel do.
I would suggest there would be much more complicated safety mechanisms in place in Iraq than in the US or Russia.
I don’t see any reason to see why this owuld be the case. A safety mechanism means that more people can decide, and have to agree, that the bomb should be used. I don’t see Saddam capable of giving away somne authority.
What I mean is that the Egyptian forces were “destroyed” as an enemy though negotiation and agreements. The fact that Israel uses military force more often than diplomacy and concessions can be a weakness rather than a strength. (Of course I recognise that often military force was the only option but it has often been so successful that diplomatic options have not been properly explored… things like a single state for Palestinains and Jews… a joint partnership that you say cannot work because the palestinains would not or could not let it… they will take control and ruin it and the Jews will have Palestinian masters…)
They will, that is their declared goal.
JJRE: Arthur’s fine
This is quite true, but any coup would probably take into account any nuclear weapons… especially if planned in Washington. Lets face it in a coup type situation you describe the Iraqi people have as much to fear from SH as Israel do.
I would suggest there would be much more complicated safety mechanisms in place in Iraq than in the US or Russia.
I don’t see any reason to see why this owuld be the case. A safety mechanism means that more people can decide, and have to agree, that the bomb should be used. I don’t see Saddam capable of giving away somne authority.
What I mean is that the Egyptian forces were “destroyed” as an enemy though negotiation and agreements. The fact that Israel uses military force more often than diplomacy and concessions can be a weakness rather than a strength. (Of course I recognise that often military force was the only option but it has often been so successful that diplomatic options have not been properly explored… things like a single state for Palestinains and Jews… a joint partnership that you say cannot work because the palestinains would not or could not let it… they will take control and ruin it and the Jews will have Palestinian masters…)
They will, that is their declared goal.
JJRE: Arthur’s fine
“Iranian religious leader Khamenei recently said he is prepared to use nuclear weapons to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, and that he knows there is a heavy price to pay, but that it is worth it.”
He has probably said many things in the past that many leaders both religious and political have said. I would suggest that was for local consumption and to create caution in the eyes of those in power in Israel.
Like a blowfish pretending to be 5 times bigger than it really is.
(It is also an admission that they don’t yet have nuke capability yet it doesn’t make hem sound weak… just foolhardy.)
I probably would have said the same thing as you Garry, had it not been that Israel’s enemies frequentky sya such things for ‘internal consumption’, and then go on to act like they say. I don’t think I have to name an example of this, do I?
Which suicidal neighbour would that be? …I don’t see SH sticking his neck out…
Maybe you should look better.”
Suicidal means wanting to die… all he needs to do is hold a large military rally and appear at a pre published time.
The fact that he tries to avoid US attempts to kill him suggests that he is not suicidal… the way he has treated his neighbours and his enemies in Iraq you could call him homocidal… but certainly not suicidal.
But what if some coup starts in Iraq? He’ll then go down anyway, and so does his entore regime. Certainly, he wouldn’t mind taking some people he profoundly hates with him. And what makes you think the Arab states will put the same kind of safety mechanisms in place as did the Soviets and the US?
“Sure, because Israel cannot destroy Arab states with it’s conventional army. It can hold off and defend from Arab attacks with the goal to destroy Israel.”
Yet you managed to come to an agreement with Egypt… go figure.
Huh??? I’m not sure whay you mean by this.
Mr. Hamza says that Iraq and Iran are dangerous, particularly when they have nuclear weapons. That is what he wrote.”
Congratulations Mr. Hamza. I could also say giving children a loaded AK-47 is also dangerous… can I get an award for stating the Bloody Obvious too?
Iran and Iraq are not happy with the current state of land ownership in the region. Both are friendly with groups that are in direct conflict with Israel.
Iran and Iraq are not dangerous to anybody… they don’t care one way or the other about NZ for instance… unless we support their enemies they don’t care about us.
So then we could perhaps add to what you have said about what Mr Hamza has said and say:
Mr. Hamza says that Iraq and Iran are dangerous to Israel and her allies, (they will become more dangerous when/if they get nuclear weapons)particularly when they have nuclear weapons. That is what he wrote.
This I can accept. Though I’d say that probably no leader in Iraq or Iran ever heard about NZ… 😀
Shalom,
Jonathan
JJRE: Arthur’s fine
“Iranian religious leader Khamenei recently said he is prepared to use nuclear weapons to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, and that he knows there is a heavy price to pay, but that it is worth it.”
He has probably said many things in the past that many leaders both religious and political have said. I would suggest that was for local consumption and to create caution in the eyes of those in power in Israel.
Like a blowfish pretending to be 5 times bigger than it really is.
(It is also an admission that they don’t yet have nuke capability yet it doesn’t make hem sound weak… just foolhardy.)
I probably would have said the same thing as you Garry, had it not been that Israel’s enemies frequentky sya such things for ‘internal consumption’, and then go on to act like they say. I don’t think I have to name an example of this, do I?
Which suicidal neighbour would that be? …I don’t see SH sticking his neck out…
Maybe you should look better.”
Suicidal means wanting to die… all he needs to do is hold a large military rally and appear at a pre published time.
The fact that he tries to avoid US attempts to kill him suggests that he is not suicidal… the way he has treated his neighbours and his enemies in Iraq you could call him homocidal… but certainly not suicidal.
But what if some coup starts in Iraq? He’ll then go down anyway, and so does his entore regime. Certainly, he wouldn’t mind taking some people he profoundly hates with him. And what makes you think the Arab states will put the same kind of safety mechanisms in place as did the Soviets and the US?
“Sure, because Israel cannot destroy Arab states with it’s conventional army. It can hold off and defend from Arab attacks with the goal to destroy Israel.”
Yet you managed to come to an agreement with Egypt… go figure.
Huh??? I’m not sure whay you mean by this.
Mr. Hamza says that Iraq and Iran are dangerous, particularly when they have nuclear weapons. That is what he wrote.”
Congratulations Mr. Hamza. I could also say giving children a loaded AK-47 is also dangerous… can I get an award for stating the Bloody Obvious too?
Iran and Iraq are not happy with the current state of land ownership in the region. Both are friendly with groups that are in direct conflict with Israel.
Iran and Iraq are not dangerous to anybody… they don’t care one way or the other about NZ for instance… unless we support their enemies they don’t care about us.
So then we could perhaps add to what you have said about what Mr Hamza has said and say:
Mr. Hamza says that Iraq and Iran are dangerous to Israel and her allies, (they will become more dangerous when/if they get nuclear weapons)particularly when they have nuclear weapons. That is what he wrote.
This I can accept. Though I’d say that probably no leader in Iraq or Iran ever heard about NZ… 😀
Shalom,
Jonathan
JJRE: Merkava IV unveiled today
Did you scan that picture, Skythe? It’s the clearest Merkava IV picture I’ve seen so far.
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