Now for one from my country of origin, Croatia:
12 X F-16C/D Blk 50 (cause NATO demands a token air defence ability)
4 X C-295
16 X TTH-90 (2 squadrons of 8 aircraft each for transport and SAR).
6 X CL-415
Training is to be handled by NATO Joint training in Canada.
Dubya, whats up with those numbers? They look like they are off some leftie politicians wish list :p
I’m a bean counter in the health aspect of the public service so of course I’d rather have money placed in health than in pointless toys for boys.
Twix, what would you do with so many Rafale Cs?
Oh and do you plan to move france to another continent with that huge transport fleet 😉
Nic
Nah, you need all those transports to re-create the French empire. From Haiti to Algeria to Vietnam – they will all be French again!
Hehehehe
No nation on earth is free of Propaganda and lies all practice or have practiced it, see that democracy is just an excuse, Imperialism whether it is comunist imperialism, facist imperialism, nationalistic imperialism or capitalist imperialism, all have relied on Propaganda.
Serbia as NATO both are as unreliable as accurate sources simply because they relied on War and not on peace.
Historians should rely on both if they want to know more less what really happened, to say a Historian should rely only in one source is frankly propaganda and not History
I don’t deny that the US uses a lot of propaganda. But they are more trustworthy than the Serbs who started 4 wars, slaughtered a quarter of a million people and were ruled by a nationalist dictatorship at the time. This automatically makes them less reliable than the US where there is some freedom of speech and openess.
By the time the A400M enters service, we will have the ability to teleport material around the universe in an instantaneous fashion.
Australia:
RAAF:
60 F-35 – to replace 35 F-111/71 F/A-18
22 P-3 – to retain
4 C-17 – new purchase
20 C-130J – additional buy of 8 airframes to replace 12 C-130H
6 Wedgetail AWACS
4 modern tankers (I think we’re acquiring Airbuse MRTT’s?)
33 Hawk – to retain
64 PC-9 – to retain
Additional: DHC-4 Caribou to be retired.
Navy
20 NH-90 – to replace S-70B and Sea King
10 modern training helos – to replace AS350
Additional: useless non-operational SH-2G to be scrapped – a total white elephant project.
Army
36 TTH-90 – to replace S-70A
6 CH-47D – to retain
22 Tiger – to retain
16 modern training helo – to replace AS350
TEEJ
It is interesting to see you have great faith in NATO`s press releases and little in Serbia`s. Why?
Because one consists of primarily democratic nations who have some degree of openess while the other one was a nationalistic dictatorship that supported the deaths of tens of thousands and is responsible for about a quarter of a million dead in 4 conflicts.
NATO and the USA are not saints but they are a helluva lot more open than Serbia was at the time.
Your figures are mich too loew. Remember the the North Vietnamese used the SA-2 and the SA-7 as their SAMs, which are even older then SA-3 and SA-6, and killed thousands of american warplanes with it. So when they were abel to kill thousands with SA-2, the Serbia must also have killed thousands of NATO airplanes. That is why F-4 production, Tornado production, Mirage F.1 prodction and espcially F-14 production was re-opened after the conflict and most NATO airbases saw no flying for a dew years.
LOL. Complete with typos. Great work.
Some of you guys live in a strange fantasy world. The wreckage and the bodies of the aircrew have been recovered.
May they rest in peace.
As for fantasy world – most people on this board live in a fantasy world – the Pakistani super airforce, MiG-29 super infinity fighter, huge NATO losses against Serb forces in 1999, the kill ratios made by Bulgarian pilots during the Bulgaro-Jamaican War of 1853, the attack on the Deathstar by rebellion forces…
The aircraft could’ve veered off course when it was hit or smacked into a river/lake or even more rugged terrain. Plus it did crash at 17:30 which might be close to dark.
What do you mean by confirmed? i mean who are the people authorized to comfirm a kill? the vast majority of kills i have read have no picture either from the West, Israel, Syria, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Ethiopia or any country.
I mean numbers vary a lot and usually any kill has contra claims.
How you can say those kills never happened or did happen without a picture?
The Moldovan air force was believed to have thirty three MiG-29 according to some reports of those, twenty one were sold to the US and six to Yemen you still would have six missing MiG-29.
I thought 10 MiG-29’s were sold to Yemen and one to Romania?
So add the 21 U.S. aircraft and you have 32 MiG-29’s.
What about old World War I and II ships still serving in a proper military role, even if they are just depot ships. Wasn’t the Philippines Navy still using World War II vintage frigates in a frontline role?
US tech fans love to talk about kill ratios and drag them out whenever they can.
Yet no-one mentions the F/A-18 whose kills are 2 Iraqi MiG-21’s in exchange for one F/A-18 shot down by an Iraqi MiG-25 (different events of course).
I think a US solution will be chosen due to historical, cost, logistical and aid considerations. (By aid I mean cheap US loans/FMS).
Interesting thread. Dubya you missed El Salvador’s speculation 🙂 , i would like to hear some as for the Central American region. Where do you guys think that these countries should point when it comes to buying aircraft?
Saludos.
PD. Un gusto en saludarte Inigo.
I don’t think that El Salvador or Guatemala will acquire any new combat aircraft and they will stick to their A-37’s for a considerable time. And I suspect that when the A-37’s are retired they will be replaced with Super Tucanos or possibly nothing at all.
To put it frankly, Latin America’s aviation purchases are hampered because the USA no longer uses cheap, simple to operate aircraft like the A-37, the C-47 or the T-6. These aircraft used to form the bulk of many Latin American airforces because they got them cheap or for free from the US and spares were often available on the open market. And these aircraft were adequate given the political situation at the time (basically insurgencies and rebellions, not much full scale warfare),
But now the USA has switched to what most poorer countries would consider extremely expensive and complicated solutions such as the F-16, upgraded C-130’s and UH-60’s.
European producst are also too expensive, while politics generally prevent the acquisition of Chinese and Russian products. And in the end many of these are unsuitable for poor countries – an FC-1 or MiG-29 is overkill for Guatemala or El Salvador.
So I think more poorer airforces are going to switch to becoming pure transport/helicopter services with a token combat component provided by armed turoprop trainers.
Even many of the European air arms are becoming merely token air arms – look at Slovakia, the Czech Republic or even Belgium. Prohibitve costs and lack of clear threats is killing many air arms around the world.