SOC m8, give it up.

Just accept that the US lost a wing of B-52, a dozen B-1 about an equal number of B-2s, around 10 F-117, 30 F-15s, 70 F-16s, 18 F-14s, 36 F-18s, 85 A-7, 102 A-10 and various helicopters.
NATO also lost 50 Tornados, 20 Mirages, 55 F-104s, 78 G.91, 112 F-4, 89 F-86 and various other aircraft.

The biggest loss incurred by NATO was when James Bigglesworth’s Sopwith Camel was shot down by a musket shot fired by drunken Serbian goat herder called Jure.

Oh how did NATO morun… 🙁

So the Yanks walloped Serbia because the Serbs were using crap Russian equipment? And the Serbs did sweet f@$& damage to NATO forces?

And the Iraqis got walloped not only cause they were mainly using Russian equipment but because their military was full of morons and lackeys of their great president?

Yep, I pretty much agree.

I wonder what Mr Walker and the rest of Carcass would have to say about this matter.

not true the USA aint the only country also you must rember that Austrlia has about 50 f-18s and the rest i think the F-111s and sea hererairs and also the PC-trannier but there for example russia they have lots of mig 29s with 200 of them with SMT upgrade and they preety much get the same amount of flight hours as the AUZZIES do and they have the MIG 31 with one of the most powerful raders and a really good jet fighter also they have the SU-37 and thats a deadly adivorsery to the F-22 Raptor there is also Ukranie and also the British are ok and also there are the French with there Rafels.

RAAF fast jet combat strength is 71 F/A-18A/B’s and 35 R/F-111C/G’s. These are scheduled to be replaced by 100 F-35’s.

And the Ruskis and Ukranians would really struggle getting to Australia to invade it. They would kinda have to conquer pretty much the whole of Asia to even contemplate it.

The Soviet Union is no more and I do not have to tell you why it is no more.

You did use the word “Commie”

You come from a society that is democratic. Would you allow yourself to be reduced to a person merely parroting what the goverment wants you to say without having the freedom of choice to decide for yourself.

You are assuming that everyone in the Western democracies spends a lot of time engaged in intellectual activity or seriously debating politics.

A lot of people in the West do merely parrot the government’s line or the line of whatever party they follow. This is because they do not care about government. Most people only care about their own personal lives. They do not care about the big picture.

And when they have an opinion on something, it’s usually based on an extremely poor understanding of issues. Often people will vote on something simply because their parents/friends did or because they don’t like the look of the politician.

My Soviet Union example is valid because it was a totalitarian society. But just because you cannot speak your mind openly in regards to politics does not mean you cannot excel in scientific matters or sporting matters.

However fighter pilots do not have anything to do with the type of government as stated in all the above responses (training, equipment etc).

At least the consumer zombies have the choice to choose to be zombies. They are such because of their own free will. If they wanted to choose a better path, they could very well have chosen to do so. Ignorance is a way of life for many and it is of their own choosing. On the other hand, in a repressive communist dictatorship, people live in constant fear of even saying things because the wrong politically incorrect word can get them into prison without TRIAL.

You can chose to be very politically active in any regime. If you are in a democracy you vote or stand for election. In a Communist regime you become a member of the Communist party. In a military dictatorship you join the army officer corp. And in a theocracy you become a cleric.

As for being able to chose to be a consumer zombie, that’s not exactly true. Consumerism is built into our society. Kids growing up today are totally oblivious to any alternative. They wear Che Guevara and CCCP t-shirts without any knowledge of what these things are. Even the anti-globalisation and environmental movements do not offer an alternative – I know plenty of environmentalists who drive the biggest most fuel unefficient SUV’s. And the reason why consumerism is so successful is because it’s as William Shatner said: “greed is hardwired into human beings”.

As for not being arbitrarily arrested, the latest terror laws in Australia allow what could be termed arbitrary arrest. You can be arrested and not told why you are arrested and have no rights to a lawyer or to speak about your arrest (breach of national security). Or in Austria where a prominent English historian was jailed for speaking his mind on the Holocaust.

And then the television networks only feed information that is inline with government policy anyway.

You very rightly say this. [B]Intellectual achievement is a cultural phenomenon. It depends on whether that society promotes intellectual thinking and is open to new ideas [B], but can you seriously attribute such qualities to a paranoid repressive totalitarian regime that will not even allow its citizens to google freely for fear of these same citizens acquiring knowledge that is not to the liking of their masters. This is just one example, which I have already previously mentioned. Please read the rest of my posts to get my impressions on certain repressive commie dictatorships and how repressive ideology can certainly negatively influence military aviation while contaminating the civilian population.

There is still no correlation between pilot quality and the nature of the regime. As mentioned, the German Luftwaffe, Japanese Imperial Navy, late World War II Soviet airforce, North Vietnamese airforce and Argentine airforces all possessed excellent fighter pilots.

The quality of Serb pilots in 1999 is an unknown though years of sanctions would have decreased their abilities due to lack of servicable aircraft and fuel. But it is clear that these people have a very professional attitude and would probably be good pilots if they had enough funds for their air force.

So? Is the F-111 tooling intact and operational? How about the F-14 tooling?

I thought the original reason for the Aussies to get the F-111 (or a tactical missile of similar range) was to counter Indonesias purchase of Tu-16 bombers. These bombers have not been operational for decades… so why do the Aussies want to retain that capability? Ja?

They are kept as a deterrent against god knows what. Though anyone who is capable of striking at Australia is nuclear armed and is not going to be worried by some decrepit old rust buckets that spend a lot of time grounded.

Paul Dibbs wrote many a year ago (bad memory – stay of the hooch kiddies) that the only country capable of threatening Australia is the USA.

So F/A-18’s and then F-35’s should be enough.

One must face the realities of today and the reality is that free nations and democracies grow not only materially but their people grow intellectually too, which is sadly lacking in commie dictatorships.

What a load of bullsh!t. The Soviet Union had excellent engineering and scientific skills. Remember Yuri Gragarin and remember Sputnik?

And there are plenty of people in the Western democracies who are consumer zombies with little or no thought about politics. I know many people here in Australia who can barely read despite finishing 12 years of schooling. I even know university educated people who do not know such simple things as that Italy is in Europe or that the correct title of John Howard’s position is Prime Minister and not President.

And India has been a democracy for a long time, yet has a large percentage of illitereate people while boasting the most Universities on the planet.

Intellectual achievement is a cultural phenomenon. It depends on whether that society promotes intellectual thinking and is open to new ideas.

What’s that in your signature? You are confusing the hierarchs of the C3DN :diablo:

It’s lyrics from a Nevermore song. Nevermore are a heavy metal band.

I would buy B-52’s and copious amounts of napalm for humanitarian “aid” distribution.

As Stalin once said: “Death solves all problems. No man no problem.”