Though other than Japan and maybe Israel I cannot see anyone else acquiring the F-22 anytime soon.
Hardly. Sure the Mi-17 production lines are still open but that is partly due to the fact that the Mi-38 ones are closed (in a manner of speaking). One line will close and eventually (and I’m not saying it will happen tomorrow) will be replaced by the other.
I really doubt it will be for at least another 15 years. The Hip series is cheap, robust and effective. They sell like hotcakes. No company in its right mind is going to close a successful line unless the new line is assured sales. And the Mi-38 doesn’t even have major Russian support.
Does the An-72 have a rear ramp like a Hercules?
alright fine but you guys bombed us all night beaucse you knew that you would never come down beaucse you guys lost the earlier war in somalia and Serbia is a lot stroger then Somalia beacuse the US are not good on land. But you guys have the air power and the cruise missiles.
Somalia was not a war. It was a peacekeeping/aid distribution mission that went wrong. The US did not deploy any adequate equipment that was needed to operate in a high risk environment (AC-130’s, armoured personel carriers, helo gunships etc)
TEEJ,
I think 275,000 L-18s survived the conflict in 1999 and I also think 13 Deathstars, 80 billion B-2’s and an infinite number of B-1 were shot down.
There I corrected your factual errors.
Well dear Dubya I have lived 4 years of my life in Iran and about 1 year in Dubai U.A.E.
and many time in saudi arabia I have relatives there.
U.A.E has not more than 100 soldier ready to fight so its not wise to campare.
saudi arabia is just a name too sorry but its true.
Thats the U.S force there in Persian Golf otherwise Iran already occupied many of those countries in golf area.
Don’t belive things you hear or see in midea much of them are one way waves.
Iran is an industrial country can make Car, Airplan, and almost everything you can imagine.
But those 2 countries you mentioned they dont any any big intdustry they import almost everything.
I hope you go to some of those countries to see the real setuation.
Producing a car is not the same as waging war.
I compared Iran with Saudi Arabia and UAE on equipment terms simply because I have not found any really knowledge on their tre military preparedness.
Also how developed are Iran’s relationships with its neighbours. From the little I’ve read, the Arab world doesn’t have much to do with Iran due their Shia religion.
But then I could be wrong.
Iran is already aregional power!! without purchasing those fighters.
I’d say that their power has been eroded over the last 10 years. Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E. have better equipped forces. Iran has mainly 1970’s vintage equipment (not only aircraft, but tanks etc). It is questionable as to how capable Saudi and UAE military personel are in terms of training but Iran is a bit of an unkonown entity here too. The Iran-Iraq War finished 18 years ago and many of the personnel who fought in this war would have retired by now or at least been given desk jobs. I also am not aware of the quality of Iranian training programs. There are other issues such as overall force readiness which are also unknowns when it comes to Middle Eastern military capabilities.
But on paper, Saudi Arabia and UAE look to be a lot more capable than Iran. Especially in terms of airpower where you have Saudi F-15’s, upgraded Tornados, and soon-to-be delivered Eurofighters and the UAE with it’s F-16E/F’s and Mirage 2000-9’s. Pakistan is looking to acquire new F-16’s while Turkey is upgrading its F-16’s and F-4’s and is looking at acquiring F-35’s in the near future. Iran on the other hand has a bunch of ageing F-14A’s, F-5E/F’s and F-4D/E’s backed up by small numbers of Su-24 and arguably useless MiG-29’s (useless in BVR). I doubt they will be able to sustain Mirage F1 ops for very long without some sort of support in terms of spares and maintennance unless they have clandestine help from someone like South Africa.
Its quit useless even if Iran purchase 30 su27!
why?
well imaging so many Awacs and other U.S. fighters
instead they can upgrade there current tomcat Radar and its avionics well its with help of Russians 😀And they make there ground defence more capable.
Um, read my post. I said that an Iranian purchase of advanced fighters will not deter the US but serve to maintain Iran’s position as a regional power.
As for Ruskies upgrading the AWG-9, I doubt they could pull it off.
I wish I knew what kind of avionics, radar and weapons the Iranian tomcats now had.. I just can’t believe that its all the same inside today.
I reckon the radar would be the original one supplied in the 1970’s, albeit perhaps modified locally. You can’t just plug in a Russian radar into a Western aircraft while I don’t think that the Iranians are capable of developing a top of the line radar that would be better than the AN/AWG-9.
I am surprised that Iran has not acquired more modern combat aircraft. They seem to be focusing their energies on their nuclear program and on self-sufficiency programs that in the end will produce knock-off F-5E/F variants. One would think they would acquire at least a few top of the line fighter aircraft such as the Su-27. Even China has acquired Flankers while continuing local projects such as the JH-7 and J-10.
It could be that the Iranian leadership and senior airforce staff are still enamoured with the Tomcat which gave them sterling service in the 1980’s. This may sound stupid but governments are staffed by people who often hold irrational beliefs and base decisions on these beliefs (I should know I work for the Tasmanian government – irrationality central).
Obviously a number of Flankers will not help deter the U.S. but it would help counter or at least maintain some sort of parity with the UAE’s acquisitions of F-16’s and Mirage 2000-9’s as well as Saudi Arabia with its F-15’s and soon-to-be acquired Eurofighters.
ofcourse we didnt win them but ur airforce wat is it like a biggest dump is a airplane dump yard u could do better plus we were vrsing more then 400 aircraft of the latest f-16s and lots more nad if they invade u wat could u do defnd ur self nothing wat mig 15 that 50s aircraft and id watch u would of been our 7th state when was last shot down aircraft 1956 yeah thats real good man and also ur going to use mig 15 or 17 for tranning use the mig 21 or f-7 get ur pilots at least some supersonic tranning a lot better then a mig 15 used in korean war dame thats old wat about ur ground tropps u guys have nothing maybe aks yeah that real good we have freaken m-84s the updated version that has a shorta u could do crap all to the tank with a laser guided missle. u guys also think those migs u got going to do anyhting to us a get some proper bunkers for once that wat u have man that must of cost 2 bucks ohh yes also during the nato invasion who brought down the f-117a stealf air craft wow real stealf and also the b-2bomber has russia anything i guess not we got mig 29s for free and also we got 11 tamar anti stealf radars by the russians for free and got us will protect u wat will ur new f-16s going to do to the anti stealf radars these r radars cost 100 million each imagine wat kind of comtion is a f-16 so little for it and also serbia is buy s-300s u go us yeah and ur army is really modern wat russian t-55 that that 60s era and also i read defence budget for 2004 and 2005 is 700million for serbia u guys also for ur navy dont even have subs wow eu has real tranined also russia has and their in nato they dont wont beacuse they dont have to be controoled buy some stupid americans i would like see and hope serbia goes for the russians man how much does the standard have to be and also in 2010 when u get ur jets serbia is buy there and new army of wepons and jets and defecne so u wont have better jets then us by then k.
This is some of the worst spelling and grammar I have ever seen on this board. The post is unintelligible.
I don’t think that all 133 were delivered. I think in the old Air Power journal circa 1991 they specified that about 72 had been delivered. Mind you my memory isn’t what it used to be.
I think that this poor lonely bomber is sitting in its hanger crying itself to sleep because all it’s brothers and sisters have emigrated over the border. 🙁
surely. it took 20 days for Irak and couple of months build up before that not to mention close to hundred of billions dollars. so by that time what do u think what will they do?
Actually it took about 12 years and extreme economic sanctions. The No-Fly zones over Iraq were a way of maintaining US military pressure over Iraq. The Iraqi A-D network suffered continuous bombing from US fighters in the period the No-Fly zones operated. Surely this would’ve been disruptive to maintaining any sotr of integrated A-D network.
Even more disruptive were the economic sanctions. Other than some upgrades, the Iraqi A-D network didn’t really see any new equipment introduced between 1991 and 2003.
They already kinda picked the Rafale. No concrete order though.
What designation is being given to it? Is it OH-58E or is totally new?