There’d be a few:
I agree with Iran and it will be interesting to see what new generation fighter they will adopt to replace F-4’s and ultimately F-14’s an MiG-29’s.
Italy – AMX, F-16A, Tornado, AV-8B, EF2000
Argentina – Mirage III/5/Dagger, A-4M, Super Entendard
Pakistan – F-7/Mirage/F-16/A-5
India – MiG-21/-23/-25/-27/-29, Mirage 2000, Jaguar, Su-30MKI, Sea Harrier
France – Mirage F1/-2000, Jaguar, Rafale, Super Entendard
Isn’t the Indian order for only a squadron’s worth of aircraft (c.20 + dual seaters)?
There is also the Algerian and Yemeni orders which will keep MiG ticking over for the next couple of years.
But what after that?
And how does this upgrade cancellation affect the future MiG lightweight fighter? Obviously MiG will lose out on funding and the question arises will they be able to fund such an aircraft at all without major government backing?
So unless export sales for the MiG-29SMT or MiG-29M1/M2 really start to increase, then we can say goodbye to MiG by 2015?
No offence to the Italians, but they have always seemed to be a third rate outfit to me. Must be the legacy of getting their butts kicked in WWI (even though they were on the winning side) and in WWII.
Also they tend to operate aircraft that are either really old and obsolete (re: F-104 though I think it’s been retired) or small lightweight fighters such as the AMX which would be more at home in a third world airforce and not in a major NATO power.
And now they’re getting some ancient F-16’s. Woo-hoo!!!
If these plans are realised, the questrion arises…will Pakistan be eligible to recieve JSF?
And the second question…how will India react to this?
Let’s pray Tom Clancy isn’t reading this, cause he might get some ideas for another moronic novel…
Not knowing much about this missile, could it be assumed that it is a form of reverse-engineered Sparrow?
What I’m aiming at is this – Iran, who has links with China, lends a Sparrow or two to China, who then use the Sparrow’s software, wiring etc to make a Chinese missile that is compatible with Western aircraft?
Or could there be an Israeli link?
I’m not saying the Chinese could not create their own BVR missile. What I’m saying is that I doubt they have the knowledge to integrate their own equipment on Western aircraft.
Next the Yanks’ll be saying that they defeated Napoleon at Waterloo, despite their being on the wrong side of that war….
Next the Yanks’ll be saying that they defeated Napoleon at Waterloo, despite their being on the wrong side of that war….
Yes but now it’s a globalised world and potential threats can develop anywhere. Iran, for example, is an unknown quantity with the clerics still maintaining a lot of power. Suadi Arabia could always go pop too. Or a major war in one of the bigger oil producing ex-Soviet republics. These are all hypotheticals but they are there.
And finally, why should the EU rely on Uncle Sam for military capabilities? Surely Europe would like an independent capability to engage in expeditionary warfare?
True they may be too proud to delegate, but if they can’t support it economically, then new acquisitions won’t happen – unless they’re sponsored by Uncle Sam of course!
I think the Eastern NATO countries will acquire Western a/c – JAS-39 – Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary already have.
Countries like Bulgaria and Romania will probably get subsidised weaponry from the US in the future. Slovenia was apparently looking at letting Italy or Hungary conduct air policing- they havealso refused to commit themselves to jet aircraft until at least the 2010’s. Their NATO status will probably mean Western a/c if they do decide to get jets.
The Croatian AF also wants to be integrated into NATO – They’ve wanted F-16’s but can only afford a few upgraded MiG-21’s.
I think that a lot of these Eastern countries will become a second home to ex-USAF F-16C’s once F-35 enters service or JAS-39 Gripens.
Doesn’t the PN already use Lynx’s? Maybe reestablishing some links with the UK is in order – though I don’t know what current UK policy regarding military sales to dictatorships is nowadays.
Originally posted by m.ileduets
Two things: We’re not talking about a fifth generation fighter here, rather a cheap late fourth generation one engine point defence sort ot thing. Even “economic basket cases” (they are certainly not a majority on my list as you are implying) might prefer an inexpensive new plane. Countries like S&M, Macedonia and Albania take great pride in their armed forces. They traditionally had quite a big fleet of fighter planes. They might also realize that a new acquisition would be cheaper on the long run than hand downs of various models that require expensive upgrades, logistics, spares and maintenance.
Second: keep the time lapse in mind! We’re talking about eight- ten years from now and more. Some of these “economic basket cases” are likely to experience economic growth in the near future with the EU eastward expansion. They might not be able to opt for either medium or large size models or fifth generation, but a small, inexpensive Mig could be affordable by then. That’s all they need for air policing and self defence.
Macedonia’s traditional large fleet has consisted of 4 Su-25’s – that’s almost a third of a squadron. Sorry – I’m addicted to sarcasm.
Alnbania is an economic basketcase and will remain so for some time.
Also one cannot look at “tradition” since that was the blooming Cold War and Albania was run by that nutter, Enver Hoxha, who purcahsed dozens of totally obsolete F-5’s and F-6’s.
S&M is also no longer run by Tito or that other Blakan celebrity, Miloseivc, and I doubt they’ll buy anything more than 24-36 a/c in 15-20 years time when they have money instead of over 100 MiG-21’s and hundreds of cruddy G-2/J-21 and J-22.
As for economic growth – these countries are starting from small bases – Albania was one of the poorest in Europe while many of the ex-Yugoslav states have only just stopped sliding.
Remember that the Cold War finished 15 odd years ago, and Romania, Slovakia and Bulgaria are still operating Soviet crap despite having more stable histories and economies that weren’t blasted to smithereens by US bombs or sanctions.
Dudes – just because we live in a low threat environment now does not mean that the USAF or Europeans or whoever should reduce their arsenals and scrap key elements such as air defence. This is a 1920’s mentality that resulted in Europe being unable to defeat a threat when it emerged.
We cannot predict that peace will last forever or that new threats won’t emerge.
Weren’t the Harriers meant to be upgraded to GR.9 standard?
Also the Jags were meant to be replaced by Eurofighters – I assume this is going ahead. But are any of the 5 RAF basesthat are to be closed down bases that were meant to host Eurofighters?