No idea. I would assume they are going for for commonality with their current F-16A/B Blk 20’s.
They operate 4 fighter types as it currently stands (F-16A/B, F-5E/F, Mirage 2000 and F-CK-1) so some rationalisation seems more logical than acquiring a brand new aircraft.
Could well be. The F-111 has a strange reputation in Australia. It is both a “wonder plane” and a “deathtrap.”
It’s also interesting that the RAAF has lost 8 out of 43 F-111’s in the course of some 30 years of operation, but has only lost 4 out of 75 F/A-18’s in about 20 years of service.
But the number of aircraft stays at 80 F-18’s as each squardon is operating 40 a/c.
And if the number of aircraft does come down the Canadians still have the US to help them including the F-22’s that are to be stationed in Alaska.
So what G-4M is not good enough.
No, in my opinion the G-4M’s success will be hampered by the following:
1.) Politics – Serbia has had a turbulent recent history which might create concern about its ability to provide spares and maintenance support.
Furthermore existing political relationships might hamper sales to a number of customers. For example, it is unlikely that e.g. Singapore would acquire the G-4M because it has acquired Western built and predominantly US built aircraft.
2.) Oversaturated market? – Currently we have the Hawk, MiG-AT, Yak-140, K-8, S.311, T-50, M-346, L-159, AT-63, as well as the EMB-314 and PC-21 competing in this market.
3.) Many countries as I mentioned have recently upgraded their advanced training fleets (e.g. Egypt with K-8 and L-59).
I think you are again overestimating the market. Out of those 178 countries, you have countries such as Fiji, Nauru, Andorra etc that are too small to have anything than a police force.
Many countries’ fast jet fleets are dwindling to almost nothing. Look at sub-Saharan Africa or Central America. Most countries can barely afford transport helos, let alone jet aircraft. And many of the countries that do operate light jets ala the A-37 are looking at replacing them with turboprop aircraft ala the Super Tucano.
As for the poor man’s F-16, you still have aircraft such as the F-5E available (albeit 2nd hand) while the JF-17 and T-50 are coming on line. The there’s the second hand F-16A/B’s available as well as 2nd hand MiG-29’s and Su-25’s.
My point is that I don’t think there is a large export market for the G-4M.
And given that the F-111 is approaching it’s retirement date in 2010 or even possibly 2008, I don’t think this one will be repaired.
As for the G-4M being built and sold to Libya…fantastic idea. That would be very ideal and is a very plausible situation. Morocco, Tunisia, Syria, Iraq, Armenia, Algeria, Egypt, Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, Chile… All of these countries are also extremely valuable and appealing markets. The North African countries would find it beneficial at the least to enter into a developmental program with Serbia or Romania.
I think you overestimate the market.
Many of those countries already have chosen solutions for advanced trainers:
Egypt – K-8 and also has existing Alpha Jets and L-59’s.
Morrocco – K-8
Algeria – Yak-130
Argentina – AT-63
Brazil – EMB-314
Tunisia has newish L-59’s, while Chile has C.101’s.
So i don’t see many orders coming from these countries. The others are viable even though rather poor and probably also unlikely as customers.
But the Lavi was cancelled in 1987. It is true that the aircraft was advanced at the time in terms of avionics but that was nearly 20 years ago and there has been a lot of developments since then.
As I said, no-one really knows what the J-10 is capable of or what it is going to to be capable of once development is complete. The PAF might have access to such information but unless you have had access to their own internal analysis of the J-10, saying that the aircraft is comparable to a Su-30MKI is a bit of shakey claim.
How do you know that a J-10 is on par with a Su-30MKI? I still haven’t read anything concrete about the J-10 other than it exists. It is still virtually an unknown quantity.
Sorry to seem so belligerent, but you are making some large claims.
The F-16 is substandard junk? I think that it would still be better than the JF-17. So what should the Pakistanis be getting instead? Some F-22’s perhaps?
2.4% is less than all countries surrounding Serbia spend, except for Albania and Hungary. Greece and Turkey spend around 5%. 2.4% is around the European average, or maybe even below it.
I think Turkey and Greece are a special case in that they would probably love to slaughter each other with glee but are prevented by NATO, EU and the USA. So instead they just spend copious amounts of money on weapons and indulge in sword waving contests.
The Austrian deal no doubt included things like a training/spares/maintainenance/repair package for several decades into the future. These are all things that Serbia doesn’t have to buy. Historically, when Yugoslavia bought aircraft, it bought just the aircraft and the weapons and nothing else.
But back then Yugoslavia was a large country with a large military. If you acquire 200 odd MiG-21’s then it pays to set up your own in-house training/spares/maintainenance/repair facilities, because you have economies of scale. It also made sense due to the government’s focus on self-sufficiency as was the case in many countries.
But Serbia is a small country now and probably won’t acquire more than 16 aircraft. I don’t think it’s economically viable to establish in-house training/spares/maintainenance/repair facilities for 12-16 aircraft. Aircraft are also a lot more complex now than a MiG-21. And the self-sufficiency economic model doesn’t really fly anymore either. So I think they will probably go for a maintenance/training package.
Dunno if the F-16 will go out of production by 2015. The thing is constantly winning export orders (Oman, Poland, Israel, Chile, Greece).
Personally I think the JAS-39 would be the most appropriate aircraft – it’s cheap and effective.
But then I think the Gripen is appropriate for most airforces who only need self defence capabilities.
Pakistan cannot afford F-22 🙂
Different lobbies playing throw ball.
India is willing to spend 7 billion dollars…maybe they might ‘wanna check it out’ before they make the decision, hopefully for them in this decade.
But US taxpayers can! :diablo:
Probably Austrailia…since the only need a few to replace the F111. About the range issue, the F22 has more range than the F15E yet the F15E was used to replace the F111 in USAF. Sure, range was lost, but so was the need for escorts against serious air forces of the region. Maybe some stealthy external tanks can be developed.
Did you read the 2nd post?
Australia is out as they cant afford the F-22A in addition to a strike aircraft
The Federal Government has committed itself to the JSF and has stated “no F-22’s.”
JOKE POST – SO BE WARNED!
Hmmm…post 1 mentions that F-22’s are made by the same company that is selling F-16’s to Pakistan. Through the magical BS power of the internet, from this I can deduce that the launch export customer for the F-22 is none other than Pakistan!!!