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  • in reply to: A simple explanation of phased array radar. #2589315
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    I don’t think there’s a difference in range if the slotted array has the same number of slots as the AESA has T/R elements and the same (combined) transmitted power (all other factors equal as mentioned in your first post).

    AFAIK the trouble with parabolic reflectors is simply that they’re expensive to manufacture and require slower mechanical scanning.

    EDIT: Oh yeah, thanks for the explanation of that LPI stuff, I never had a clear idea of how that worked before!

    Actually, one of the major problems with parabolic antennas is that they are just as good as reflecting radiation as they are detecting it, giving a plane a huge frontal radar signature.

    Next miniarticle – Basics of Datalink design.

    in reply to: A simple explanation of phased array radar. #2589740
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    A question. what’s with some allegations that aesa provides somewhat better range than regular slotted array, all other things being equal? same surface area, same wavelength, same processing power for same resolution and clutter filtering, etc. any truth to that and if so how and why?

    Depends what you mean by slotted array. Do you mean a PESA system? Or a slotted array radar?

    If you mean the latter, the advantages are many. A slotted waveguide is unable to change the shape of its frequency/radiation pattern. It relies on a motor to move it and direct the beam, making the beam much less accurate/reliable when compared to a phased array system.

    Although, a slotted array radar uses many of the principles of the same principles of diffraction to generate a coherent beam. Think of it as an phased array radar, except everything is fixed in place, and to steer it, a motor is used.

    A slotted waveguide is just a lightweight directional antenna.

    in reply to: Can you speak something of the North Korea air force? #2589939
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    Stalin’s Iron Fist was a girl scout camp compared to North Korea. Let me explain, the only internet connection in North Korea can be used by high political leaders, or tourists.

    Tourists are not allowed to bring in laptops with a wireless capability, and are escorted at all times by “tour guides”

    The average North Korean cannot afford a camera – this makes it pretty hard to take pictures.

    in reply to: A simple explanation of phased array radar. #2590515
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    Alright, for transmitting. Here’s the simple version: Lets go back to the pond. If you drop two stones in the pond and observe the pattern, do they not interfere with eachother? The waves shift a bit when they hit eachother. Mathematics can calculate this interference to produce precise controlled pulses using hundreds of little stones.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Doubleslitdiffraction.png

    Here’s the longer writeup. OK, first of all, to understand transmission, you need to understand diffraction. The easiest way to think of diffraction, is that if you send a radio signal through a slit which is significantly smaller then the wavelength of the wave, it will produce a perfect, semicircular pattern. This is important – as mathematics exist for calculating this type of signal propagation pattern. (By someone much smarter then I).

    Now, back to the phased array. Each individual antenna on a phased array acts as a slit – emitting a semicircular signal. Most importantly, the signals are either identical or close to eachother in frequency. This allows for combining the waveform. A phase shift between the T/R modules will allow for a small change in direction.

    OK, back to the diffraction thing, you got the part where multiple emitters sending signals slightly out of phase with eachother will act as a single transmitter. Now, the problem is, how do we calculate which direction the signal is sent? This is where the mathematics of n-slit diffraction come in handy. You can treat the T/R modules as individual slits, and calculate it that way.

    If anyone wants to look up the formula for it, it’s available on wikipedia. I don’t feel like typing it up here.

    Edit: It’s been a while since I posted something like this, and I wrote something stupid/wrong tell me. Also bring-it-on, thanks, that saved me a bit of time.

    in reply to: A simple explanation of phased array radar. #2590578
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    Now, here’s the second part of the post. How phased array helps. To do this, I’ll first have to explain ECM in a semi technical manner; this will be a relatively concise explanation.
    Radar works by bouncing a signal off something, the signal bounced off will be around a billionth of the total power transmitted by the radar. It will be a very weak signal, and very easy to Jam, if it was a pure signal.

    However, it’s not a pure signal. A radar sends out waves in different packets and frequencies, making it hard for the other guy to Jam. A radar can differentiate between a signal sent out by itself and one sent by another source because it filters out all signals that weren’t the precise pulse it sent out.

    However, modern ECM can counter this by finding the pattern of the radars signals, and sending this same pulses. Radar can counter that by making its pulses/frequencies/patterns random and having a narrow beam. This is where phased arrays with large amounts of T/R modules come in.

    A single directional antenna being driven by a motor produces a signal spread a bit like this.

    http://www.astronwireless.com/images/Understnd_fig2.gif
    http://www.astronwireless.com/radiation_patterns.html – Awesome site about antenna radiation patterns and their usage.

    This is a Yagi antenna’s radiation pattern, used by Japanese land radar in WW2, its a bit outdated, but the concept remains. The point is, even when the target is not in the scanning beam (main lobe) it can detect leaked radio waves and alert its RWR to the direction/type of enemy plane being used or prepare effective ECM countermeasures.

    Enter the phased array. With a low module count, you’ll still have the signal leakage problem, but once you get higher and higher amounts of individual elements, you’ll have an very very well defined, very tight beam which looks considerably more like the expected cone then a bunch of lobes. This allows for tight scans which may potentially prevent the opponent’s RWR from alerting him, or allow his ECM systems to come up with countermeasures.

    Edit: If you like these posts, please respond. I have a bit of time to write more information, including a planned semiarticle on passive and active phased arrays, and ways of signal processing/target identification.

    I also want to write about how well designed datalinks work, but apparently it seems noone is interested.

    in reply to: SU-30MKP (Persian) ???????! #2590615
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    I keep hearing these rumours from “high IRIAF officers”

    First it was 80 J-10s, then a couple A-50 Mainstays, then a couple Su-30MKP. No credible sources are ever provided.

    in reply to: Venezuela to buy S-300 #1810661
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    It’s also a cover of approximately 0 sq.km against an F-22.

    in reply to: Can you speak something of the North Korea air force? #2590626
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    MiG-29Cs are outdated facing F-15SKs and F-16C/Ds. Plus, they have a very very limited number of them.

    (Also, I thought the MiGs in nk are MiG-29A?)

    in reply to: Can you speak something of the North Korea air force? #2590669
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    According to you,China is not a open society,but We can find a good number of pix photoed on the ground.Why North Korea hasn’t nothing.

    What???

    Stop being intentionally obtuse. You know perfectly well why no one can get near a north Korean airbase. China is a very very open society in comparison with a Stalinist hellhole like North Korea.

    A friend of mine who works for the DOD explains it like this. “The first fighters were pilots attempting to shoot other pilots down with pistols in reconnaissance planes. Coincidentally, this is the aerial ability of North Korea in the first days of combat.”

    North Korea’s airforce is laughable, when outdated MiG-21s are the best planes you can field, expect them to be shot down fast.

    in reply to: RUSSIAN AESA #2590672
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    The worlds biggest phased array radar.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea-based_X-band_Radar

    in reply to: American Sukhoi #2598077
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    I don’t know where to start laughing. Obvious photoshops.

    in reply to: Pakistan AF News and Discussions 2006 #2557488
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    Last time I did, so had one of the WS 10 engines..that what is so amusing..you guys are so quick to pounce upon Indian projects out of national pride, but when it comes to your own, there is the Nelsons eye. 🙂

    Yes, flying working models…one crashed recently right? Should I use that to say that the program wll be delayed now etc etc?

    Show me the money, exact Squadrons/Regiments with it, #’s produced, performance specs…what we have on the net is a lot of analysis and gobbledegook which changes every now and then..

    Oh please…its still in trials..and prototype development.
    The LCA has far more infrastructure ready as it is, in terms of program readiness.

    There are 28 LCA on order and a dedicated line is being set up, if the engine fails there are always more Ge404s.

    With Russian help, and similar measures are being adopted by India for the Kaveri..so, big deal.

    I have been hearing this passed testing for two years now..anyways, production teething issues will take up time to fix, per credible reportage…while the WS10 may indeed stabilize before Kaveri, by no means is the latter out of the race..it too is going very much the same way..in terms of external assistance fixing it and making it production ready.

    ROTFL…by the same standards, I could diss the PLAAF as well..

    But I know better than to play your juvenile games..

    Look who is talking…the same gentleman who wanted to wave his schlong around and do a comparison with Russia..based on some imaginary extrapolation of Chinese strength and capability which sensible members on this board, would shirk from.

    Of course when called on that dubious claim, off he comes to drag the IAF into this sorry line of arguementation, since his nationalistic corns were stepped upon.

    Try all this again, and with someone else.

    Except, you ignore the fact that I never called the PLAAF a first world air force. I’m rational enough to recognize that in any conflict with Japan or any other nation with a real first world air force, it would be destroyed.

    India is even farther away, but you seem to have problems accepting that. Stop strawmanning.

    As for Russia, it is a dieing power; their GDP is considerbaly lower then it was during the days of the old Soviet Union, and they aren’t spending 20-30% of their GDP on defense.

    Even with continued investment by countries such as China and India, they will have problems holding on to any lead. China is already ditching Russian programs for indigenous designs, while many of these designs are getting assistance from Russian companies, it represents a very signifigant step forward.

    Soviet era tooling can only take you so far, which is why the Su-27s assembled in Russia tend to have reliability problems, and the reason why the engines exported to India failed early. Russian companies do not have the budget to replace their tooling, while CAC is replacing its lines with new machinery from Japan and Germany.

    Oh, and about Kaveri, the Russians did help India, it blew up anyways. The project is currently being assisted by SNEMCA. As for the WS10A, it’s design has little to no Russian influence – it’s design is much more akin to, and probably based off a GE core.

    Also, when did you hear they passed testing? WS10A passed final testing in November, 2005, two years have not passed. WS13A passed just recently, although I can’t seem to find the exact date. Both engines represent a signifigant increase in thrust over the AL31FN and the RD-93, respectively.

    in reply to: Pakistan AF News and Discussions 2006 #2557835
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    The LCA is flying. By the same standards you put forth, one may well write off all the developmental J-10’s, JF-17’s, AWACS etc.

    Really? Last time I checked, the engine for the LCA had exploded. AWACs is definitely under development, and won’t be ready for primetime in a while, However, they have working, flying models.

    J-10 has already entered serial production and squadrons are being inducted, Jf-17 is finalized, and the lines are being setup as we speak. LCA development is not nearly done. No lines are being setup, the engine is still being designed.

    Kaveri is still in the R&D phase, while WS10A is done, and entering production, WS13A is also done, and the lines are being setup. Both engines have passed testing. Sure, first batches will use Russian engines, but the Chinese engines will be out considerably sooner then Kaveri.

    India is far away from a first world air force – although the Su-30MKIs are pretty awesome. Stay away from nationalistic tendencies, India is far far away from a first world air force.

    in reply to: Pakistan AF News and Discussions 2006 #2557928
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    close to 180-190 Su-30MKI’s , 126 MRCA (mig-35 (AESA) , Rafale (AESA) , SH (AESA ) or EF (AESA) , Upgraded Mig-29’s , M2k-5’s , LCA , MIG FIFTH GEN. FIGHTER in addition to Phalcon AWACS + indegenous AWACS . A threat from R-77 , KS-172 , Maybe Aim-120 or Meteor is pretty close to first world as one can get in asia !!!

    What MiG 5th gen fighter? What LCA?

    What Indigenous AWACs? Right now, they have Su-30MKIs, which are awesome planes, but don’t count your chickens before they hatch.

    in reply to: Those Hezbollah "Ball Bearing" Rocket Warheads #1811636
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    Actually, they don’t use real ball bearings, as that would be too expensive. Round, metal, balls are probably the better term.

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