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The J-7 is based on the early and lightweight MiG-21F-13 series. It lacks internal space for avionics, as well as in the nose cone. All versions are BVR-less, AFAIK.
That alone makes the Bison greatly superior in the A-A arena. But you cannot acquire a Bison other way than take an old MiG-21bis and pay for overhaul / upgrade.

Lancer was based on MiG-21MF. I think it was possible to introduce BVR (Derby) but Romania obviously was not interested.

Is BVR even useful on such short ranged fighters? How long can a MIG-21 remain on statiion (am assuming only one centerline fuel tank if carrying 2 BVRs and 2 SRAAMs)?

Can the radar even use the missile to it’s max range?

Was not expecting him back after the whole “Missile must have fell off the wing in flight” when he saw a JF-17 with a training round on…

Ahead of Defence Day on Sep 6th, recounts of PAF performance in 1965 and how it is geared up today for modern war

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakistan/296771-Exclusive-Dunya-News-explores-PAFs-fighter-jets-

50 years of 1965 … lots of stories … some more unreal than others …

This is on the myth of MM Alam … but wait, it was written by an Indian journalist – it must be wrong, right ?:highly_amused:

http://iadnews.in/2015/09/breaking-the-myth-of-mm-alam/#.VecN8IG3TqB

Interesting indeed. As ever though it’s good to get independent sources of just how well (or badly) the IAF performed.

Try this, quite a valuable insight into how mass propaganda since 1965 tends to overlook what happened. Vishnu, being a journalist I am sure you will value the independent insights of the below journos (all qouted at length in the link) , all seem to agree that the IAF was comprehensivley beaten in 1965. The only people stating overwise are Indian sources

Times London – Sep 24 1965

Peter Preston, Guardian – Sep 24 1965

Donald Seaman, Daily Express – Sep 22 1965

Frank Melville, Newsweek – Sep 27 1965

Sunday Times – 19 Sep 1965

The Time Weekly – Sep 17 1965

Mohmmed Odeh, Al Gamhouriya (Cairo) – Sep 12 1965

Roy Meloni, ABC – Sep 15 1965

https://www.ispr.gov.pk/Indo-Pakistan%20War%201965%20-%20A%20Flashback.pdf

Again, I think you are really missing the point. I agree, a Lancer is a very capable plane, but again (in case some of you had problems reading the post I was replying to) the comparison a poster made was between a bis and a J-7. Not a Bison or a Lancer. Do people actually read everything they reply to on here?

With all due respect, PAF lost 8 or so out of the original 40 F-16s over the first 10 years or so. How would you categorise that? I remember reading an article by a retired paf official AM Ayaz Amir which provided some figures for paf crash rates over 1990s; IIRC those numbers ranged between 1.3 to 1.9 per 10000 flight hours and he called them satisfactory. Every year a few paf fighters accidents happen. Even if 350 Paf fighters are doing 200 hours each, that would put the no. of flight hours at 70000 and crash rate wouldn’t be much lower than 1 per 10000. If you have paf crash fighures available for the last couple of years, it wouldn’t be difficult to put together these estimates. My estimate for MKI was conservative and I still stand by my statement.

Firstly, the PAF pilot to aircraft ratio is around 2-1 (compared to 1-1 in IAF) , secondly 8 F-16 aircraft were lost over a period of 30 years. So it would work out at around 3.6 crashes per 100,000 hours . This compares to 6 crashes per 100,000 hours for IAF SU-30s that are relatively new and have never once seen combat.

PAF F-16s also were

1) Spare parts were sanctioned
2) They flew combat missions against the Soviets
3) They are currently conducting combat missions against the Taliban

Can you see now again, just how bad 6 crashes per 100,000 hours (your estimate is) and how it is not “darn good” (your words).

PS No such person as AM Ayaz Amir ever in the PAF, again, you really need to check your facts before you start posting stuff.