Well, I think the members would have to agree. That a Royal Navy Task Force equipped with F-35’s on a CVF Carrier and supported by T-23’s, T-45’s, and Astute SSN’s. Would make a powerful force indeed…………..:D

FLY NAVY:cool:

A RN task force probably consisting of what? One CVF, 2 T-45 and maybe a T-23 or 2? Still bare minimum and what else will the navy be trying to do while deploying that? Even if they get the ships the RN will end up having too many in dock at various states of “readiness” (a misnomer if ever there was one) because of financial restrictions on fuel, manpower, etc.

As to Astute numbers, cannot see there being more than 7, and I expect the T-boats will be paid off before they all make it into service. I find it amusing that the AStute will “never need to be refuelled in their [25-year] life” – does this mean that they CANNOT be refuelled, and thus have a finite life, meaing a replacement programme would HAVE to be done on time (and when does MOD manage that?).

Apologies for the Mirror/Sun style of writing 😡

There aren’t any tiles on the Seawolf and Viginia class subs, IIRC. Instead they have a seamless coating that is applied by some special process that escapes me right now. Gets rid of the missing-tile problem but is obviously a pain to repair if it is damaged by ice or other floating stuff, which is why I can’t see Russia adopting anything similar. The newer Russian subs (677 and 955) seem to have tiles that are bonded together along the edges instead. Interestingly, German and French subs have what looks like thin anechoic “matts” (larger than tiles) that appear to be riveted to the hull (although you don’t often hear about any anechoic coating on them at all, so I’m not sure).

Presumably a spray process (that or they’ve gone Soviet in their engineering and cast it around the entire hull in one shot). Have to get the process right though, as if one area isn’t attached properly (e.g. badly cleaned/primed) then you could have a large section peeling away.

seem to have tiles that are bonded together along the edges instead

eh? If they were only ever bonding the hull face they were always going to suffer from delaminating problems.

Mats are presumably just larger tiles – cheaper to manufacturer and cheaper to fit (less adhesive required), but depending on the curvature could be a pain to get in place.

As far as I can tell anechoic tiles are, and need to be mounted where they can actually intercept active sonar before it bounces of the steel hull, and they form the outermost layer of the submarine hull.

How much sonar would penetrate the steel and reflect off the second layer? Maybe an intermediate layer of acoustic control is required to reduce the impact of a second hull. Also of course it may be related to the need to reduce radiated noise.

Most (?) submarines these days are thus coated with plastic or rubber based tiles or panels that are bolted/mounted on to the pressure hull. And they do fall off… close up of this appears even worse.
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/ConMediaFile.20090

Adhesively bonded. As to them falling off, thats what you get for using sub-contractors to do a semi-specialist job. The adhesives (generally) are pretty good, but then MOD contract the fit to the cheapest sub-contractor and hey, presto!

– new inbuilt anechoic tiles (whose appearance led some here to whine about an apparently imperfect manufacturing quality of sub’s exterior).

This may be stupid quesion but what is an “inbuilt” anechoic tile. Assuming the tile is polymer it can hardly be welded to the structure….

Guy will u shut up about my nick, all of u. This is a forum for croatian navy pleaz stf. Its my choice to choose this name(its something called democracy). Know i offerd to change it asswhipe.

Indeed you did, so heres a vote that you do.

PS i chose because theyre the only ones who actually fought for croatia(indeed carrying our flag not yugoslavian or of any kind)

but not for the democracy you crave…..

I offerd to change my nick, so STF. i had enough of ure complaining.

After one post? Wow. Okay, I’ve said my piece.

FWIW as I said earlier in the thread its good to see a country like Croatia retaining some indiginous defence-capability and I wish them well at it. Particularly avoiding buying second hand US FFG’s….

VPBR stands for “veliki patrolni brod”, for those that do not speak croatian/serbian/bosnian or whatever you call these language

FYI, known as Serbo-Croat in the West, though I have also seen it called Croato-Serb;)

Im using this nickname cauz first of all i know that they are anti-yugoslavians. Which most people know have sympathy towards yugoslavia.(and fought for Croatia in ww2)

Anti-Yugoslavians have sympathy for Yugoslavia? Genuinely confused here!

You cannot surely be surprised that people are offended by this name can you? Ultimately it is your right to call yourself that – the irony is that you’d unlikely to have been able to exercise that right under your namesakes:confused:

Eurofighter for India (and Japan)?

I realise this isn’t naval, but this topic has touched on the IAF’s requirements to replace the Mig-21 before, so here you go…..

from The Times 10th April 2007

BAE Systems has entered a dogfight with the world’s leading makers of combat jets to secure orders from India and Japan worth up to $15 billion (£7.6 billion).

The Times understands that both the Indian and Japanese Governments will take a significant step towards replacing their ageing fighters in October, and defence companies are positioning themselves to win the lucrative contracts.

BAE is attempting to sell the Eurofighter Typhoon to both countries but Europe’s leading fighter is up against American F16s and F18s and Russia’s Mig-29.

Japanese officials recently visited BAE’s base at Warton, Lancashire to see a Typhoon demonstration and the company’s representatives are promoting the aircraft in India.

The Indians and Japanese are expected to issue a request for proposals in October, which will formally ask companies to submit a tender for the replacement programme.

Following BAE’s success in selling 72 Eurofighters to Saudi Arabia, the British company is leading efforts to sell to India and Japan on behalf of the other Eurofighter partners, Germany, Italy and Spain.

The Indians want to buy 126 fighters to replace their old Mig21s in a deal worth up to $9 billion.

The Japanese are replacing their 90-strong fleet of F4s, which are now 35 years old, in a deal that could cost between $6 billion and $10 billion.

The Japanese have always bought US military hardware in the past but in a significant breakthrough for the Eurofighter consortium, officials have admitted they are now looking at the Typhoon.

Analysts in Japan believe that this change in position reflects surprise that the country was not “trusted” by US Congress to buy F22s. Congress has blocked the sale of Lockheed Martin’s F22 to any foreign government but if the ban was lifted it would probably head the Japanese wish-list.

The US is trying to sell Boeing’s F18 Hornet to Japan but military analysts have said that the jet does not meet the country’s needs.

Japanese reluctance to buy anything other than American military hardware has been eroding in recent years. In 2005 the Japan Coastguard bought Augusta Westland EH-101 helicopters rather than American competitors.

The Indian Government is considering a wider range of possible replacement aircraft. It has traditionally bought from Russia, which still offers the most cost-effective fighters, but last year received clearance from the US to buy F16s and F18s. Other candidates for the Indian order include Dassault’s Rafale and Saab’s Gripen.

A BAE spokeswoman said: “BAE Systems, on behalf of the Eurofighter Consortium, is leading activity to position Typhoon in Japan to meet their FX fighter requirement. We are also aware that India has a requirement for 126 multi-role combat aircraft. We await details of what the Indian air force requires and Eurofighter will respond accordingly.”

Curiously enough Austria seem to want to cancel their order….

The Times 10th April 2007

“Eurofighter Austria wants to cancel the purchase of 18 combat jets from the Eurofighter group after a general who was overseeing the deal was relieved from his duties because of suspicious payments.”