Aviation Heritage Lincolnshire could provide contact details for the catering support!!
“16th May 2012 – Falklands Campaign 30th Anniversary
“Sailing With The Queen” An evening talk by Chief Pattisier Stephen Hallam about his exploits from pampering passengers luxuriously cruising around the world to suddenly being thrown into the cold and stark reality of the South Atlantic Campaign.
Venue: The Branston Hall Hotel, Branston, Lincoln, LN4 1PD” 😀
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or, just forget about the aircrafts and send a submarine…blockade over.
SuE are not duer to retire before 2015 if I am not wrong. Those pictures are very recent : a few days old.
I doubt it. Even if the CDG left port a couple of days ago, no airplane has jet landed on its deck, and wont until late january. Atleast thats what weve been told, I could be wrong:confused:
Although this related to JSF. the same argument can be extended to EF/Rafale that India downselected for MMRCA. any down scaling or slowdown in procurement of EU countries will have negative impact on cost to India. The volume for subcontractors will not be there.
EU bust=US/China combine bust will devalue all resource exporting countries currencies so they will have less money to import US dollar based equipment.
It will not impact PAK-FA/J-20 as it is not imported from dollar based equipment.http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/09/usa-euro-military-idUSN1E7B80GK20111209
U.S. military chief eyes euro zone fallout risksDempsey pointed to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the Pentagon’s costliest weapons program, which the United States is developing together with partners including Britain and Italy. A crisis in Europe, if it were serious enough, could force allies to re-allocate spending which had been earmarked for the F-35, he said.
That, in turn, could drive up the cost of individual U.S. aircraft at a time when U.S. defense budgets are squeezed.
“It will clearly put them at risk if all the economic predictions about a potential collapse were to occur – inflation, devaluation,” Dempsey said.
A low euro makess the Eurofighter and Rafale cheaper. However a euro-bust make the Rafale cheaper as the Eurofighter most likely would in the case of India be sold in German mark which historically has tendencies to become the victim of market overvaluation, while the French franc often has been on the other side of the spectrum. The British pound would probably also be high as it would be considered a safe haven during a period of transition.
I doubt Italia, Spain or the UK for that matter would be able to buy the JSF if the euro does bust and stop the credit flow of the European banking system. Importing expensive high-tech equipment would have to be postponed.
When that is said the European economies are robust and diversified so they would probably bounce back fast. But I am guessing that politicians would cut defense first over social programs, maybe with the exception of France where the domestic defense industry employ so many, and got so much lobbying power.
But back to topic. When will a decision be known?
Well … final bets?
I give Rafale the edge, but it’s a very close thing and I wouldn’t be in the least surprised if Typhoon is selected instead. Both candidates would serve India’s operational and strategic requirements well.
I would love to see the Rafale get it’s first export order. But right now the typhoon is miles ahead, with some incredible offset packages. I don’t see dassault winning this.
Jamming yeah ofc. Its more the landing in such good shape that I find shocking.
look at the wings. does not look real to me.
i have to give it to saab. after the mirage lines closed down, they’ve found a great market and they keep pushing sales with their low profile strategy.
and btw, the gripen is the best choice for the Swiss airforce…
Also, after the UAE debacle, does anyone else think that Dassault stating the Swiss “knowingly decided not to put Switzerland at the highest level in Europe as regards the performance of its new combat aircraft.” is a little …undiplomatic?
That was actually very diplomatic for Dassault standards.
After the Rafale lost out to a weaker F-15 in South Korea, Serge Dassault decided to never do business in the country again, and closed down all the South Korean Dassault subsidiaries. :rolleyes:
By the way. The 6 in the graphic do not mean Hornets scrore, it marks swiss military requirements…
and theres been a couple of years since the military junta in argentina, time to move on…
IF this graph is authentic then yes it seems to show that Rafale is technically very good.
However there are some strange things about this graph. If 6 really is the score of the Hornet, how do people explain that in a2a the mighty Typhoon is scoring basically the same as the Hornet!?
Of course the score is calculated according to what the Swiss needs are, but still I find that rather surprising to say the least. Even in their improved offer, the Typhoon score just marginally better than the Hornet in a2a. Very peculiar.
Jackonicko, where are you?
The 6 marks the Swiss military needs. Not the hornets performance.
First I would like to congratulate my sweedish friends with another sale 😉 Great airplane, no doubt abouut it.
What I find interesting are the pr.unit prices.
Rafale the most expensive at 150 m dollars
EF at 100 m
and Gripen at between 50 and 60 m.
Seems like Eurofigher are selling at loss while Dassault refuse to give anybody any discount. For that price Gripen looks like a great choice.
Has this something to do with the Brazil fighter competition?
What cancelling fines?
If one country cancels, it has to compensate the others. If all four cancel – no problem, no compensation.
I am expecting the firms involved Eads, Bae, Roll-Royce etc. to suffer quite huge losses when customers do not fulfill their contractual agreements, and therefor would be demanding some sort of compensation for their and their shareholders losses.
A buyer has a maximum price he will accept; a seller has a minimum price he is prepared to accept. The perfect salesman negotiates the highest price the buyer is prepared to accept; the perfect buyer negotiates the lowest price the seller is prepared to accept. In this case it looks like there is no room for negotiation leading to a deal.
If Eurofighter’s minimum price is above the maximum UAE is prepared to pay, the RFP is just a waste of time for all concerned. No deal there either. However, if Eurofighter does do a deal, that would suggest that they are prepared to accept a lower profit margin than Dassault.
I believe that if they aksept all the UAE demands, they will be selling with loss. However the fact that the four nations are cutting their numbers, selling with loss might be better then paying the canceling fines, and loosing high tech jobs.
Apparently, the UAE is expecting the French Gov. and dassault to pay 2 billion euros for upgrades the French air force most likely will not use on their airplanes, on top of that they expect the Dassault to pay allot of money for the Mirages which so far has not managed to attract any buyers due to a stiff price, the French are clear that that’s not going to happen…
I seriously doubt that anybody outside of the US can give a better offer at the moment. I believe that there would be better to keep the Mirages then to buy the Typhoon…