The part about UAE only interested in 60 Rafales to do Sarkozy a favor is pure bull****, seriously. Nobody spends billions of dollars as a favor for an unpopular politician.
I know the Saudis bought Tornados and then Eurofighters from the brits but they put allot of money in their own pockets. They want the Rafale, but they know they can get a better price…
So they say it’s not a requirement : there is no need to replace the M2000. They are unhappy with our offer to replace M2000 with Rafale, a replacement which is not required.
This is why they threaten us to pick Typhoon instead, while there is no requirement…I don’t really get it…
By the way, people at Dassault find this ultimatum inconsistent with the last events of the negociation. They had the feeling that they had worked very caustiously for 3 years on this offer together with the UAE, and now, they would reject everything ? Just by comparing a long work with the first attempt from EADS ? How frustrating…
I believe theyre closer then ever in signing with Dassault. This is more of a last efort to get down the price. Changing to Typhoon would damage military ties with France, which are way more important than saving a couple millions pr. airframe. The French are pretty much their defender against Iran with many thousand troops in the country. Don’t worry…
When it comes to India on the other hand…I don’t see Rafale winning there. The ofset package of the eurofighter consotrium is simply to strong…
it’s a good deal. Considering that the F-35 is somewhat late. It will keep the Harriers flying, and save the marines some cash.
What happened to the F-18s UAE were interested in?
If UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Quatar ends up with the Eurofighter, while the Europeans cut their orders in half, does a name change makes sence?
Not to mention: possible production lines in India and Brazil
What should we call the bird?
Well, it would employ allot of people, and therefor create or keep high tech jobs, so I guess that something good. But in the 15 years it would take to create something F-35 like fighter, will there really be a need for it then?
Does any one here from Norway know if there are any (future) plans for replacement of the Falcon 20 (ECM) and the MFI-15 trainers?
Thanks for any information.
Cheers
TigerII
I havent heard anything about replacement (falcons). The 2 Falcons were recently upgraded, I think arround 2006. Perhaps the F-35 are supposed to take over that role.
thats where I dont understand you. if they don’t buy the rafales, they lose those things.. but UAE is already buying/bought many other French things. why does it rely just on Rafale?
its just like India, would Russia stop doing things with India, even though they kicked out the MiG-35? despite that India bought a crap load of more flankers, russian helicopters, ships, and pakfa
Because the Rafale deal is the fundation for moving many thousand troops from Djibouti to the Iranian border, and sending a squadron of the newest Rafales there. Not to mention the emirates spots at french airports. It quite clear, it will go away when/if buying the Eurofighter. But then again the UK are closing bases in germany, and heatrow has some nice spots to…
but they just allowed France to build a base, they operate LeClerc, AMX-30, Panhards, and using CMN to build their new corvettes.. does everything they have to buy be French?
No I totally agree with you, and it is a buyers’ market.
Germany, Italia, Spain and the UK are cutting their Eurofighter numbers so extremly good deals can probably be done as they’re trying to avoid the canceling fines.
Saudi Arabia is also looking at more cheap Eurofighters at the expense of Boeing.
My point is, if they buy another fighter now, then they should not expect French troops to protect them, and not to expect the emirates-airline to get the most profitable slots at the Charles de Gaulle airport…
But I agree, it is a buyers’ market…
It is quite clear that the UAE are willing that the country that will sell its aircraft will have to tale back the mirage 2000-9. That might be quite controversial for the typhoon partner nations as you need to invest a serious amount of cash. That’s a little detail that can cool down more than one !
It looks like the Eurofighter nations would do anything to get rid of their Eurofighters. UAE might get a good deal on upgraded second hand Eurofighters. And I honestly think France needs to find new allies in the midle-east. It’s quite clear Sarkozy gets no respect in the UAE, even if French troops protect their iranian border…
Full member status.. seems to me that Euro-consortium do put effort in this tender..
After the last competion, Dassault said they would never do business South-Korea, so thats going to put them out of that race.
there were talks about an attack on a libyan aircraft. any info on that one?
According to articles in several newspapers during the last two days, four HAF’s air bases will be made available for NATO operations for the enforcement of a non-fly zone over Libya with five more in Italy and 3 in Spain. Greek fighters will also be made available for any operation, “if so asked by NATO” (whatever that means).
The four bases are Aktio (in Epirus to the north, AWACS base), Andravida (home base of two F-4E AUP sqns), Araxos (these two in NW Peloponesos) and Souda (in Crete, the last two being home bases of 3 F-16C/D Block 52 sqns).
http://www.zougla.gr/page.ashx?pid=2&aid=270707&cid=6
http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18068&Itemid=139
http://army.gr/files/Image/imerisiosfiles/20110306/15.jpgSorry, I didn’t manage to find anything in English.
are there any french airbases in nordern chad?
thank you for the translation. the aesa awac seems to be a sucsess, aloot of bang for the money
is it true that Rafales lost to block 52 F-16s?
why wouldn they?