i’m being thick but what does the quad pack add to aster15? multiple launch capability from a VL tube?
The other thing to note is Aster15 gives you 30km+ range when ESSM is 15-16km Aster 15 is not really a short range missile, all the stuff you can quad pack is
The T45 has a 48 cell vls which carry a mix of Aster 15 or 30s, so all of that information quoted above is just nonsense, it sounds like it’s a poorly written piece having a dig about not being able to quad packk Aster 15. For what it’s worth the lack of quad pack option on Aster 15 I do find a little difficult to understand but there you go.
Aster 15 is the same size as Aster 30 the booster is a little shorter thats all, there 50cm in it, your going to need a launch silo @ 17m long to fit them in end to end or one 4 times the area of a regular silo
Brits like to think they’re a player still.[/QUOTE]
Thats because we are, Brasil wants a flash navy, we’ve got it/doing it, Argentina wailed about alleged Vanguard deployment to the south atlantic, we don’t have to worry about their nuclear deterent becaouse they don’t have any and never will, same way we don’t have to worry about most of the world!
[QUOTE=thobbes;2049127]Without American involvement, Europeans won’t do anything heavier.
Juist on this point – you don’t need Air Warfare Destroyers or even fast jets for these kind of ops (Mali is landlocked).
Don’t worry fast naval jets can fly over land……..and reach land locked countries, can’t do that if you don’t have aircraft carriers though

I vote B!
http://bfbs.com/news/england/new-carrier-closer-completion-56849.html
Nicefilm and intresting comment from Chris Parry
http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/story/2012-04-24/aircraft-carrier-leaves-portsmouth/
Lower stern blocks being rolled out on to barge
Sorry Jonesy but aircraft on deck even at +5 is not fast effects. You say the French were getting aircraft over the target in 20mins- but the Libyans were setting up, firing and moving in less than that. Sometimes you need an engagement cycle measured in seconds or at least a few minutes. Depending upon the ROE, a n F-35 loitering allows you to do that.
With CATOBAR, for most campaigns, I suspect that the US will quite happily base an AEW a/c or two on a QEC, I’m sure COD could be available too if needed. That US only compartment isn’t there just because its the only place the USN could get a drink
As for the Argies, AEW or not, I am prepared to bet fairly heavily that whilst we have decent AAW escorts, our SSNs and a QEC with aircraft, that they won’t go anywhere near the FI. Why? because not only could we retake the islands, we could also systematically destroy their military infrastructure through a combination of TLAM (or successor) and F-35 strikes along the way. Look how they reacted to one long range Vulcan strike last time.
The point is who tells the c who to hit at 700 miles? And how many do you need to loiter at that range? Are suggesting the ability to have a single C loiter at max range is a war winner?? Or would it be irrelavent
As to your second point what if the yanks dont supply AEW and we have to pay for it or just don’t have it?
The libyans set up and fire in less then 20 mins, just how far away from their fire point would be these obvious artillery pieces (for instance) be? 200m 500m maybe a km with a metalled (ie easily followed road) so their still dead.
Well what do you think of this………………
us navy issues rfi for super-hornet successor
Please correct me if I’m wrong but the BAE Systems MK45 5 inch should be compatible with the Volcano munitions range.
I don’t think it will, volcano is a one piece round and the mk45 uses a seperate charge and round
http://www.defencemanagement.com/feature_story.asp?id=19558
Interview with Brian Johnson BAe systems
I guess the low(er) cost options would be either conformal tanks and/or an improved version of Storm Shadow, over a “large wing” Typhoon.
There are rumours of a split buy floating around of F-35B and F-35C (which up to now I discounted due to the cost issues of running two different types) but you do have to wonder if the RAF are pushing a split buy with a mix of FAA/RAF squadrons operating a moderate number of F-35B’s and then F-35C as Tornado replacement as way of the RAF getting their cake and eating it – marginalise the FAA, minimise the amount of time RAF pilots need to be on the carrier and preserve the RAF’s ability to provide deep strike.
Surely F35A for the RAF and “54” F35C for the navy??
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/type-26-update.html
Intresting update from Liger, unfortunatly I could not veiw video, are there any other images?