“Deck edge lifts and such are no VTOL related. Deck edge lifts are normal carrier features. I’m sorry, but i think i’m missing the point here.[/QUOTE]

I’m sure your not

The point is that every thing for the STOVL carrier has been purchased

except blast deflectors so they are not part of the design and so would not be fitted, remember the flight deck is being built now. I’m happy for you to show me the deflectors choosen for the design and who is manufacturing them and the delivery date.

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F35B, differently from Harrier, needs Jet Blast Deflectors when it takes off not to blast people and things into the sea from over the deck of the carrier and to achieve best thrust force.
However, on a CTOL carrier, the Jet Blast Deflectors are placed at the end of the catapults. So an F35B would have to take position on the catapults, albeit not using them, and take off in 90/100 meters, without sky jump help.

Hi Liger intresting point about jet blast deflectors, the earliest models showed CVF with them but the later models not, the don’t feature in the BAe videos and are not present in the Navy News cut away, also every thing has been bought for the STOVL carriers such as deck edge lifts, props, fin stabilisers ect ect but no jet blast deflectors, the navy were not going to use them.

But were going to need them now……..more expense!

If you read on theres an article about 2 MT30 being delivered for QE and work starting on the first engine for POW.

Damn done it again, on topic, short fact filled post!

From todays MOD mail out…….

“Aircraft carriers

In a separate development, The Treasury has published the letter from BAE Systems chief executive, Ian King, to the prime minister explaining that it would cost the government more to cancel two new aircraft carriers than to build them.

Chancellor George Osborne reluctantly agreed to fund the two carriers, even though the UK will not have planes to fly on them for at least 10 years following the cancellation of the Harrier jump jet and one of the ships will be immediately mothballed.

The letter says the deal to build the ships “was underpinned by an agreement with MOD that in return for a guaranteed level of funded work, we (BAE) would sustain in the UK the key capabilities needed for warship design, development, build, integration and support and would rationalise and transform the business.”

It says “If both carriers are completed the cost will be £5.2bn. If Prince of Wales is cancelled, the direct cost of the programme will be £4.8bn. However in these circumstances, and under Treasury rules and the agreements I have outlined, there will be consequential costs, including those related to rationalisation, which we estimate would amount to £690m. “

The letter goes on: “the cancellation of Prince of Wales would mean that production in all BAE systems shipyards would cease at the end of 2012.

“There is no further production work planned until steel is due to be cut on the new frigate programme in 2016.

“This means that the business would be unsustainable, and all three yards would have to close by early 2013, with the loss of more than 5,000 jobs in BAE systems and many more across the UK in hundreds of companies in the supply chain.

“In practice that means the end of the UK’s capability in complex warships and would bring the sector to a halt.”

On anther tack, I see on the Naval News thread that the French are continuing to fiddle around with the PA2 design, & it’s getting further & further from CVF. It’s shrunk to 60000 tons, & a single island.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Liger30;1656354]Pool Hawkeyes is feasible because it would benefit both countries. A single, larger fleet from where to pick up planes to ensure the french and the UK carrier have 3 Hawkeye on board when they deploy is no so big deal.
Crews would train in the US with a trinational agreement. Mainteinance costs would be shared like it’ll be done with A400.

Your still not saying how it will work, the french need three they have three, if we need three will they give us theirs and we buy hours from them…..what happens when we both want them? If we buy our own three then we dont need to pool with them!

As you say you have shown how you would produce 15-16 billion in cuts, you have spent a billion on hawkeye and mistral and added there running costs to the budget and are now some 20 billion short of the nessacery cuts, what’s your plan for those?

Sorry for going off topic, will stick to CVF from now on.