Not positive about F-4 but I think F-4E-2000 and RF-4E are still in service

one of the main news item was proposed sale of Al-Khalid’s to Saudi Arabia. I believe Pakdef had reprted that on tank-net.org a while ago, may be last year and also this year.

According to pakdef, al-khalid was tested by the saudis in Pakistan and later to be tested in Saudi desert. Bangladesh is also interested in upgrading their T-55s and T-59s to Al-Zarrar standard, and also establish a local shop to implement the upgrade and overhaul.

Bangladeshi military personnel visited HIT this August for testing and evaluation.

Since this is an aviation forum I won’t go into that in detail. PAF is in the process of negotiating for Grippens. This is all a political game but they always have the French option available. The only drawback for that is the price thats why French solution is more like a backup plan. Money is not an issuem but like all countries Pakistan would rather go for the cheaper deal. F-16s are not a permanent solution for PAF, its rather a convenience since they already have the infrastructure for that. 18 Additional F-16s would make the total number to 50 aircraft and that will activate 3rd squadron.

J-10 is not a 4th generation solution for PAF, their Chief has always said we will go for a western aircraft for frontline fighters. This doesn’t mean that J-10 won’t be inducted, J-10 will be an addition rather than squadron. PAF has been contemplating on increasing the number of squadrons. JF-17 is more like a replacement for Mirages and J-7s for the numbers not for the technology.

According to my sources the Zimbabwe deal for FC-1 is also true, but the number is small. I believe its supposed to be under 20 aircraft.

IDEAS 2004 was a maga success for Pakistan. A lot of interest was shown by delegations from around the world. Some delegates were even saying that these types of shows are better and more productive than IDEX because a given country can buy anything from boots, uniforms to submarines.

BTW, as Mavaustin said Zimbabwe will become the first first customer for FC-1.

Before the advent of “internet” when the news would not travel at the speed of light PAF did flight test and considered buying Chinese F-8, Panavia Tornado and Mirage F-1. These were the words which came out of ACM’s of PAF in the past 15 years but nothing happened. Therefore, the J-10 came out of ACM of PAF is no guran-dog-tee that PAF will buy these fighters. Early this year a team three PAF pilots which included an AC tested J-10 were impressed by the product but said it is a long way before J-10 reaches the technological standards of 4-generation fighter.

Jealous kids on the block…………….End to all the kiddy stuff here..have a great week end………

Pakdef isn’t a source. Its bunch of retired rich folks with nothing else to do but tour pakistani military facilities and then brag about them on their forums.

They say that all news are true:

Paf getting gripens,
Paf buying belgian f16s
paf buying rafales

Which idiot would believe that? I went there to ask them if they could post SCREEN SHOTs of the news actually published over at forecast intl but i got hostile replies and was banned for disagreeing with the admins.

We must confirm such reports as defence communities want something solid and confirmed report to debate on. These wishful thinking so called “news reports” acredited to national defence news sources is wrong thing to do and DT believes pakdef should apologize to pakistani defence community and defence communities in general for publishing such baseless and inaccurate reports which they did not confirm themselves.

The idiot who is posting is resposible for stealing copyright material………….

What is happening is typical attitude of people who can’t disgest any news pretaining to Pakistan. Look, anytime J-10 is talked about for Pakistan it is believable even by Indians but if there is news about a “western” fighter for Pakistan everybody get their pants on fire just because the word “Pakistan” has shown up.

The issue of money is always attached to Pakistan just because some people think that to buy any aircraft a country has to pay in cash. Wrong to the core of financial dealings! Pakistan is able to offord any fighter which is in the market (minus F-22), again I am talking about “offord” not that who is selling what.

OTOH, we have been hearing since January of 2000 that India is about to buy 125 M2K but to this day nothing has happened….nothing. To keep everbody appraised, according to Flight Int. India is going to splite the order to replace Mig21 for 125 aircrafts between mig29 & M2K.

What is this than?

http://internationalreporter.net/sc…ails.asp?id=274

VAJPAYEE KEPT INDIAN NATION IN DARK ON NUKE DELIVERY SYSTEM, WHY?
DRB
Date : SEP 01, 2004

New Delhi – The outgoing Chief of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), VK Aatre, confirmed on Tuesday in the Press Conference that six years after India entered the nuclear club with Pokhran-II, it is still not ready with its missile-based nuclear delivery systems.

Not only this, he admitted at a press conference that India is still a long way from acquiring credible nuclear deterrence. As regards Agni-II Intermediate-range ballistic missile, he said that it was just to train the Army Officers and technical staff how to handle and fire such missiles since they never were trained before.

The shocking aspect of the Agni II, on which our previous government under the leadership of Mr. Vajpayee and the defence Ministry under Defence Minister George Fernandez and on which President of India has also unfortunately expressed great satisfaction on the progress of missiles on many occasions, have, in fact, kept the entire nation in dark since the missiles never were operational. However, the Indian leadership has been boasting like a paper tiger that they can smash their enemies and they shall wipe out from the world map. What a joke!

If such a situation had arisen to make use of this technology in previous years of tension and hotbed, India would have miserably failed, since the Indian Army had never known how to handle Agni II and how to operate it?

Every political leader has been talking tall without knowing how much damage they were intentionally and willfully causing to the nation by giving such false assurances. All are responsible right from His Excellency President of India to Former Prime Minister, Former Deputy Prime Minister, Defence Minister and the leader of the Opposition. In fact all were misleading the nation and in case of an attack if God forbid launched recently, India would have been decimated. Can you excuse these leaders?

So much so even the launch of July 4 for Agni A1 had the same purpose to train the Army how to handle and operate it and once this process starts, it takes minimum 6 months for the Army men to set his hand on.

Pakistan and China are practically much advanced, and India is far behind. Even the present government and their leaders who formed the part of the previous Opposition Party cannot escape from this national responsibility.

If the nation takes it seriously, I don’t think, it should forgive these leaders, whether of NDA or present Government, this act is abominable and cannot be forgotten so easily. MIL

Any links to back up the above? Given Pakistans extreme financial distress till Sept 11 and the “economic resurgence” thereafter, it seems unlikely that the PA could afford any high tech gizmo’s.
Of course, now, things may perhaps change for the better.

Myth that was self-generated by people on the east of Pakistani border