Your not a Ceasar, or a War-Mongering tough guy, your just a long line of dumb yanks, that have picked on countries that don’t the weapons capability to fight back, the day when Rus and AMERICA ARE GIONG TO FIGHT are coming to head, and I want to see the look on YOUR face when your nationand millions of your countrymen become ash what are going to do then (so called warmongering tough guy) you get no points for defeating weak nations that can’t fight back anyway.:D:D:cool:

And why would Russia want to fight the US? They just got what they wanted without firing a shot. Well there was that little war that Putin started against a country that didn’t have the weapons capability to fight back, Georgia. Funny how everybody seems to have forgotten about that. Putin didn’t want anymore NATO expansion eastward, especially in former Soviet Republics that he wants back. Looks like NATO got the message. If Russia stirs up trouble with Poland will Germany and France come to her aid if it means bopping heads with Russia? Would any NATO member come to the aid of another NATO member if Russia started a war with a NATO nation? After all that is why NATO was created in the first place. It will probably never happen but Russia’s actions in Georgia have put that concern now in NATO and IMAO NATO doesn’t have the guts anymore. So Russia gets its way without firing a shot.

Obama has sold Europe out, plain and simple. On the heels of this announcement it was quietly reported here in the US that representatives of General Electric will meet with Russian officials and business leaders with Putin’s blessing. IMAO Putin told Obama, “You want the meeting. Drop the missle shield.” If Obama was to suddenly stop GE CEO Jeffrey Imult would go halfway up his a$$ so this is a payoff to a crony and GE needs the business badly.

Why is a large chunk of Europe dependent on Russia for energy? Is the North Sea tapped out? I guess those green energy ideas aren’t panning out are they? Brazil just found a crapload of oil off their coast I’m sure they would gladly sell you some. We would be more than happy to sell you some oil if the liberals would ever let us drill here. Another motherlode of oil was found in the Gulf of Mexico but we’ll never drill for it. Mexico will get it. China will get it but not us.

For those who say that Putin just want to thump his chest and be a power player, if you wet your pants and bow to his demands then he’s won.

So Europe. You think Russia is your friend? What have they done that makes you trust Putin?

Glad to see the Project 17 is back on track. Hopefully someone at the State Department is getting smacked around but I doubt it.

Satorian all I have to do is look at the global stock markets and they say the future is not so rosey. Plus it was your own EU leadership that rejected an Eastern Europeon bailout. Government in Iceland resigns, protests in France some riots in the Baltic states. More and more debt piling up and the powers that be say we need to get credit flowing again? So everybody’s in debt and the solution is…..more debt? Who pays the bill?

As for the rest of my post I’m not going to waste my time in giving you an edgeamucatisn because you won’t except it since you after all you know everything.:rolleyes:

Well this is an interesting thread….::D

The only problem with Europe only buying Europe is that it could spark a trade war that would jump start the world into a depression…just like what happened in the 1930’s. The EU and the Euro have been taking a major beating since the you know what hit the fan and there are doubts that both will survive. The EU is under pressure from political leaders who themselves are under pressure from their national constituencies for protectionism.

Which of course just confirms my beliefs that in the end all governments will put their own agendas over “global unity”.:rolleyes: Which they just say in front of the camera as a sound bite that the media drools over.

I have my doubts about the F-35 being produced at all. Obama and the Democrats are calling for cuts in the military and as far as I’m concerned all major US weapons programs are on the chopping block. So Europe may not have the F-35 as an option. He claims he wants to save jobs but the stuff he wants to do will kill jobs and large corporations. Again Hoover and FDR in the 1930’s tried the same thing and failed. However if the F-35 isn’t canceled can anybody afford it? Especially the nations in the EU? Same goes for the F-22.

Flex I agree with you that most Americans are…stupid which is why The Chosen One was elected and now those folks keeping checking their mail for their stimulus check :rolleyes:, however its not from Fox its from other media outlets that as Hardball’s Chris Mathews said “….a major h*rd on for Obama..” or something along that lines that got TCO elected. I didn’t watch his address to Congress but I heard he basically told people that “the check is in the mail”:D

Also Flex the US won’t withdraw support for Israel. During the 1973 war when it looked like Israel would be destroyed PM Golda Meir asked Nixon to rearm the IDF. At first he balked on the idea but then Meir said that if Israel was going down they would use their nukes and hit every major Arab city in their reach, perhaps including Mecca and Medina. It was also rumored that Israel had a jet with a nuke rigged for a one way misson to Moscow as a FU to the nation that supplied weapons to the Arab nations. (Mathias Rust proved it could be done in 1987) Nixon became more cooperative after that.:diablo: So if the Arab nations gang up on Israel and TCO tries to sell Israel out its nuke tossing time. I’m sure BHO won’t let Mecca and Medina go up in a mushroom cloud since he prays to them five times a day.(alledgedly):dev2:

As for the hating on Israel, blame the League of Nations and then the UN. They forced the formation of Palestine/Israel on the Arabs. As for the hypocracy about letting Israel have nukes and no one else in the Middle East can’t, doesn’t anybody here read a history book? Strong nations dominating smaller weaker nations and telling them what they can and cannot have has been going on for thousands of years and don’t give me this we’re better than this and I have a guilt trip about what my nation did in the past BS. Every nation has skeletons in their closet. The world isn’t fair. Get over it. Its pretty sad that we want to charge nations with war crimes because they used disproporationate amount of force?! Is the West that weak willed now? Read The Prince and Sun Tzu and see how a couple of REAL experts handled politics and war, not these assclowns that are in charge now that would sell all of us out if it kept them in power.

I end this rant with a quote from Admiral Sir John Fisher:

“All nations want peace, but they want a peace that suits them.”

Everybody please be calm. Everything will be ok. Don’t you hear the sounds of the printing presses in the US Treasury building. Soon we will have enough money to pay off the debt, get free health care and education and the military can get all the weapons its wants. We’ll only have to go to the store to buy stuff carrying our money in a wheelbarrow.:diablo:

Yeah that’s is way to much for a 29. I am inclined to agree that this is being done on purpose. The Russians may be thinking that since India caved in with the Gorky deal they might get them to pay up with the MiG-29K’s. India has the Sea Harrier to fall back on for the Gorky and Super Hornet and Rafale for IAC but they may have to be equipped with catapults. May not be the best option but atleast they have some kind of option.