It really is amazing how often you see the Hurricanes in that famous 32 sq dispersal picture miscaptioned as Spitfires. Especially considering they managed to correctly label the cockpit of a Halifax from inside…
Oh well, smashing pics anyway. I’d not seen all that many of those before, so thanks for that.
Why, when talking about preserving large aircraft (such as the Nimrod), does everyone seem to assume it has to be put back into one piece straightaway?
Why can’t the RAFMuseum create a (relatively) inexpensive deep-store facility where Nimrod, Hercules, VC-10, Chinook, etc. can be stored safely indoors in a dismantled state until such time as the funds might become available to put them on display.
It must surely be possible to find an existing hangar (on a site with a long-term future!) that could be insulated, sealed and given a modicum of climate clontrol to reduce deterioration.
Roger Smith.
I guess the reason why they don’t do this is that they’d need a large building which would have to be maintained, climate-controlled, insulated, etc; and which, crucially, wouldn’t draw in any revenue. It’s cheaper for them to have a Nimrod decaying away gradually outside for 20 years and eventually being turned into pots and pans as long as people can pay to come and look at it.
Am I being too cynical?
Ooh-keep us posted! Have your bunkers ready, chaps!
Well, the big tyre screams Lancaster to me, and I reckon the turret glazing at left could be one of those Martin turrets (as per Douglas A-20, N.A. B-25 etc?)
However, I could be wrong, and I can’t begin to help on the mashed-up radial engine bits (?), I’m afraid. No doubt one of our forum wizards well be able to help further.
So what WAS in the Big Barn? Pleeease let it have been a crated (zero-houred) Westland Whirlwind or a Whitley….:p
Off the top of my head:
Norwegian DC-3 (or maybe the floatplane DC-3 when the snow all melts!)
Auster T7 Antarctic as per Fuchs expedition
Ford Trimotor as used on that earlier exploration trip (was that Peary?)
Norwegian Gloster Gladiator (both, in formation)
Finnish: Bulldog IVA
Gauntlet (could actually do this one with some effort and planning!)
Radial Hart
Twin Otter, I suppose, if you have to.
How about P-38 “Glacier Girl” (OK, no skis, but counts anyway, no?)
There was a ski-equipped Spitfire? Not heard that one. Floats, yes, but skis?
Pray give us uneducated a little teaser, Mk.12, even if you’re saving the photo… 🙂
Nice pics Rocketeer!
The Bof B hall ones seem to give contrasting views of the effect to which the glass wall has illuminated the aircraft. I guess it’s mostly the effects of flash, but the German types look as in the dark as they were before, but the Lysander is nicely lit. Which end of the hall is the glass wall, and in how much difference did you think it made?
Just a thought as it’d be nice to see types like the He111, Hurricane I and Bolingbroke appear out of the gloom in there…
T.T.
Oh one more thing, and as a bit of a reversion to the original post, 😉
Rocketer, how did you get such nice elevated shots of the Lancaster? Just that I don’t remember there being a raised gallery or anything around the Lancaster’s nose?
Wow! My little remark there seems to have stirred up a bit of whirlwind. 😮
I was not pouring indiscriminate scorn on Hendon for the light levels, I was merely making a wistful suggestion that a touch of extra light might increase the enjoyment of that particular hall. Indeed my main motivation for making the comment is that like Creaking door, I too have not visited since the glass, and simply wanted to hear how much difference Rocketeer thought it made, be that postitve or negative.
Of course I apprecate that intensely lighting the exhibits does them damage and causes them to fade, and on the other hand I fully applaud the “theatrical effect” that they’re trying to create. I was just wondering idly if they’ve maybe overdone it a touch. I am not quite sure either way-everything is a compromise, and so a museum is going to get slammed by someone whatever they do.
I find the Bomber hall is lit in a more or less perfect fashion for its subject: the soft glow around the Lancaster, Vulcan, Wellington, etc gives it a quietly respectful and peaceful atmosphere, which I think is very appropriate, without obscuring the aircraft from view in dense gloom. However, varying the lighting is important, as it gives differing atmosphere. The bright daylight in the Milestones of Flight section also works well for its subject and message, in my opinion.
As regards the sound and light show in the BoB building, I am undecided. Yes, they have to dim it like a cinema and perhaps disturb with the noise the thoughts of those looking at the other displays, but then think about getting ordinary people to learn about the BoB. Isn’t engaging all of people’s senses with a film instead of making them read dense information boards the best way of enthusing them about this seminal piece of our history?
Am I being the devil’s advocate by saying:
Would a Vulcan flight actually be worth the money?:dev2:
I love the thing dearly, and still cling to the hope of seeing it fly (I have had a string of bad luck vis-a vis airshows), but I don’t actually think a ride would be that great. It has novelty value, sure, but wouldn’t it be highly uncomfortable, dark, lacking in visibility, horrendously noisy, cramped and hot?
The analogy I always think of is like being locked in a matt black tumble dryer…
I’d rather be watching its serene grace from the ground, and cough up the money there!
Brilliant! I guess they’re a little more cautious now about acrobatics in the Tutor than they were back in 1966!
Does a VC-10 count as a “Historic” yet? I get them coming over all the time as I’m in St. John’s College Oxford, right under the Brize Norton flightpath in some conditions. Usually I just hear them, but last week one came right overhead, very low, headed WSW. The surest way of getting me to leap up from an essay and fling the windows wide is the roar of four Conways!:D
Oops, sorry. Apart from the RAF the only thing that could count is a Waco biplane last autumn…but that could still be a new build! 😮
I really can’t see much to add. Everybody seems to have known from the start that it would be a funding disaster. I didn’t, and innocently got excited about the prospects of seeing a truly dramatic and visually exciting aircraft fly. Why? Well…for me “the start” came in what? 2002? 2003? I was 12 or 13and, aviation-mad, was far too young to have seen a Vulcan fly in its military heyday. I still have not got a “proper experience”, as I could only really afford a big airshow per year. I chose RIAT 2008 (cancelled mudbath) and Waddington ’09 (bureauocratic ****-up extraordinaire) If it had not been for a poor view on a motorway journey, the time and my own money I put in would have been utterly wasted.
So what’s my point? Well, those who saw that it was doomed from the start, you’re probably right. You have experienced enough of the world and financial reality to see straight though the “Vulcan Effect”. But before we attack the project from all sides, let’s just spare a brief though for the people the TVOC advertising unfailingly harps on about: The “generations of the future” who have missed this brief window on the glories of the past, and may never see it again.
I’m no trying to elicit sympathy or make anybody pretend the project isn’t an inevitable disaster. Let us merely remember how sad it is that this potentially lovely venture was a victim of its own ambition.
Ooh! That would be good if true. The Lockheed twins are so elegant, much more so (if you ask me) than the DC-3. It would also look rather good in a “vic” with Avro XIX and an Air Atlantique Dove/Devon…:)
Let’s cross our fingers.