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  • in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon discussion and news 2015 #2158876
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    There’s also de political issue, Turkish missiles would allow them to opperate more independently regarding NATO-Russia agreements. Nor so suere we would see it but makes sense from their perspective.

    in reply to: How can Argentina stop the F-35B? #2164368
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    Argentina interested in F-5s as a stop-gap fighter

    I don’t see how that’s supposed to work considering the USN just recently got those new old Swiss examples to replenish their aggressor fleet. Might have to look elsewhere (Singapore?).

    Some rumours included F5s from Singapore, however it can be just rumours. The point is, that they mostly look at actualized 3rd generation aircrafts, the only recent exception to that were JF-17s but now the political wave has changed again, so we are at the F5 point.

    in reply to: How can Argentina stop the F-35B? #2165128
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    Argentina is to far away from any serious defense investment. Before thinking on them stoping f35 (or typhoon) we need first to step in an alternate universe. Once we are there, i’ll bet for a good combination of Russian doctrine in the form of kilo (+ club) vs RN and Mount Pleasant, s300 or S400 (the best they can get) and some flankers (with Brahmos when possible). However, current political wave and traditional military view won’t go Russian (or chinese), so it’s safe to say F35, typhoon or any other western platform more or less updated will remain uncontested for a long period.
    Some aircraft options considered for acquisition for the AAF include 2nd an 3rd tier western aircrafts (ie Kfir, F1, F5…), even platforms like Mirage2000, F16 and f18 seem not to be contemplated as of now due to economic and political restrains. There’s some interest in Brazilian Gripen but no commitment.
    Once back in this universe, a good question could be “How can Argentina stop a Terrorist A300 or a smugglers Cessna?”

    in reply to: SAAB Gripen and Gripen NG thread #4 #2179869
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    current Gripen engine, RM12, is basically a 404 54kN/80kN (dry/wet), future NG engine (like how this sounds), 414, gives 58kN/98kN while current EJ200 gives 60kN/90kN. so basically the “winner” is 10% better wet and almost the same dry, eurojet has stated several times that their engine has a pretty decent growing margin and is around 10% lighter and smaller than the 414. I don’t think it was a case of getting the most powerfull (or better) available engine but a case of search for industrial ease for the manufacturer, in these sense i think it’s much more easy for both volvo and saab to adapt from 404 to 414. They have a long lasting history of producing GE licenced products, and GE itself is a company with huge experience selling product licences.

    With m88 (50kN/75kN) they would have to face the need of getting roughlty 20% extra power over the current version, which seems posible but probably required some important modifications. I don’t think it’s exactly in the same category of the other two.

    Taking all these factors together, the sweedes considered that 414 was a better option (and they are not the only ones).

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2186407
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    Some reports suggest that russian retreat could be linked with discrepancies with Iran on Assad’s future (being the Iranian’s deicided to keep him at all cost). According to this, the Russians would keep only what they need to defend their own bases, thus largely dissengaging from the actual ongoing war. Iran is apparently expected to step in. I think as of now it’s almost imposible to make any predictions. Hope things cold down and the regime, kurds and moderates find a way to get along and get ride of all that radical islamic scum. Doesn’t seem easy though.

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2187259
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    From my point of view its more a political than factual statement, keeping in mind that S400, naval base and air component seem to remain largely untouched. Probably the comunication is aimed at easing american cooperation. With this Russian half retreat American’s might be more willing to consider a political solution once it look less like a russian success. On the ground we are seeing increasing tensions between moderate and islamist rebelds, with many of the first willing to negotiate at peace talks. In this regard, russian half-retreat puts some pressure on Assad as well, since with complete russian backing he would probably not accept any demands. Regarding Turkey I don’t think they ever intended to run for a conventional war, plus the situation in Turkey is worsening all by itself. So Russia would probably help to this worsening by giving political cover for the Kurds (which partly explains taking some distance with the regime) as well as some military support.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2234282
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    Dassault quite surprisely underbid EADS a few years ago, being extremely suspicious one could think that it was just an strategy to get a direct competitor out of India and try to get some momentum for other exports that they have on the table at the time: Brazil, UAE, Switzerland… On the other hand, a couple of years ago, the french senate previsions for the entire Rafale program included expending 45 billion € for around 300 aircraft, this is being reduced to 180 (but contemplates a future batch of 50 aircraft), taking the rather conservative price of 45 billion/300 aricrafts, the plane should have a unit price of around 150 million, now if we considerate the ToT expected plus production guaranties etc…I wouldn’t expect that the Rafale for India could get much cheaper than those 150 million € per aircraft. That amounts for 19 € Billion, 22 USD Billion, 1360 Indian Rupee Billion (136 Billion Krore, hope I didn´t slip much with the numbers) that’s 3 times the original budget of around 42 Billion Krore. Even when Dassault and France deicide to go much lower practically killing any benefit (let’s say 100 million €/unit) the whole business keeps being rather expensive for India. Now, if you follow currency exchange rates, the Russian Ruble is a much cheaper option nowadays, this should put the russian in some advantage even when the business might be agreed in USD, as most international transfers. In the actual context European stuff is very expensive for India whereas sticking to Russia keeps being a good option even when they don’t get the ToT they wished for. Of course the fact that India already produces Su30 is yet another favouring factor.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2) #2235221
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    [QUOTE=FBW;2094533]Someone should inform the Australian parliament that the Vice Air Marshal lied in front of a committee for the quote is from him, not mine (if you had read the link). First, the key is similarly configured, take that for what it is worth. I rather agree with you that there are few aircraft that would be able to match a Typhoon in trans-sonic acceleration when carrying four semi-recessed missiles.

    I did read it, he didn’t lie. He chose his words wisely (ambiguously) that could fool someone not very clued up on differing sortie profiles. His statement is reference to full atg loads, i.e. full gas bags, 4-6 lgb’s/smart bombs and the ata fit. There no aircraft with MAX.external weapons can go supersonic (well there are a few) where as the F-35 technically can, kudos F-35 it would seem. The question is, for what use? As I said, any danger and the stores are dropped. An F-35 ingress at (1.0-1.2)M gives little advantage vs .8-.9M. What’s the point of burning tons of fuel to stay in transonic drag hump, especially fully loaded god only knows how long the F-35 would actually take to get there. He just chose his words wisely.

    I agree with what you say about DACT. My point is really stressing, I think the only force structure to allow ‘fully exploited weapons potential’ would be the UK armed forces between the F-35 and typhoon, determining real vulnerabilities of both aircraft etc�No ‘sensitive’ information can really be given away when its in the same force. Multi-national, as we all know, exercises are a different matter all together regarding actual capability demonstrated. However IF the typhoon starts defeating the F-35 in various circumstances, thats gonna be one hell of a marketing point for Eurofighter to have. The question here is IF weaknesses were found in the F-35, it’s also not in the UK’s interest to start telling everyone and anyone where the F-35 is most vulnerable. Unique set of circumstances present within the UK regarding the F-35.

    I am also looking forward for the typhoon vs F35 DACT exercises, however i think Italians would probably have the best chances to get the best info since the would get the F35A version which in my opinion is the most performing (independently of whether it’s what customers wanted or not). In any case I don’t think we can expect any clear conclusions to go public, but just some crap on how good is the mix, and the sinergic effects…

    Agree on all the rest. There are several sources claiming supercruise capability of both rafale and typhoon with decent AA configurations (ie 6 MICA, 4-6 AMRAAM + 2 ASRAAM), in the case of typhoon even with fuel tanks (probably on Rafale as well but I am not sure now). IMO the surpercruising capibility with just AA payload (no tanks) should be around 1,2-1,4 for the Rafale and 1,3-1,6 for the typhoon. But to my knowledge nowbody has claimed supercruising capability with AG payloads, althought i wouldn’t be surprised if somebody (particularly on typhoon) manages to do it with one or two 1000 Lb bombs or similar light AG config.

    in reply to: South America market 2015-2035 #2269008
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    In general, economies in southamerica are growing quite fast, however it seems that the different states on the region are quite stable at the moment, and this would probably make the countries keep with their low spending in high tech equipment.
    Chile is probably the best prepared in the region and i don´t think they will go for any big purchase before 2020, if there’s a country likely to be acquiring typhoons in the region chile is the main candidate, other options for the far future are F35 and SH.
    Argentina is in desperate need to renew their interceptors fleet but after their adventures in 1982 it isn´t very likely that they get what they want (even less likely considering their debt issues) and a shift towards Russian or Chinese materials looks still complicated as of now, however taking in consideration their whole situation, Chinese stuff (J17 and/or J10) looks like their best option. They can also try some Israeli refurbishment of older aircrafts (f16) or something like that.
    Brazil is in the middle of their FX2 thing, It is possible that they end up acquiring one of the current three candidates (for several reasons i think that grippen is their overall better option) but nobody would be surprised at all if they get a second hand aircraft again and initiate the FX3 program. As gap options Grippen A and M2000 look like the most likely candidates.
    Venezuela is currently operating the most capable aircrafts on the region, I think for them it is more important to invest in improving their doctrine than in new fighters, I don´t think they need a substitute for the F16 since the recent acquisition of Su30s is a clear step forward. However mig29/35, j10 and j17 could complement them in the future. I think any of those would have been a better option (over the su30s) regarding costs and operativity/maintenance. However if the air force is absorving the Su30s with certain ease, increasing the Flanker family with more Su30s, Su35s and/or even Su34 could be another option. I am quite sceptic on this, however Su35s have been mentioned several times as a future option for Venezuela.
    Colombia Military expenditures are mostly focused in facing the FARCs, however i think we can expect a renewal fo their fighter fleet before 2020 since they currently operate really old airframes, F16 either new (in case they keep making them) or second hand looks like the likely candidate, I would give Grippen, SH and even Rafale or Typhoon some options but I think this last three would exceed the budgets.
    Peru is in a good situation after their recent upgrades in mig29s and m2000s their future acquisitions are a complete mistery, I would only discard F35 since I don´t think the USA will be willing to sell nor they will be willing to pay for it. Any other options are possible, however Western aircrafts like SH, Rafale, Typhoon (this last being very unlikely) will have a hard time to get in the market due to price and politics. Grippen would have good chances (particularly if it comes through Brazil) competing with Mig29/35, j10, j17 and even Hal Tejas (supposing it comes on time). Flanker could be an option as well. Peru looks like a market wide open to Russia and China but not closed to the western countries willing to sell.
    Grippen could be a good option for Ecuador (if they sell Julian Assange) but I am not aware of their current air force situation nor about their acquisition policies, anyway it seems that they are budgetary restrained as the recent acquisitions of Atlas Cheetah point out, so si wouldn´t expect great expenditures there either.

    in reply to: Russian vs European aviation industry #2289994
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    mig-29/35 has some limitations and i think both Rafale and Typhoon ar clearly ahead, but with new radars and avionics mig-29/35 can be a very good option particularly regarding its far cheaper price. I have no reasons to think the russian technology lags behind, is true that they’ve been stagnated for a decade or so, but i think its also that before that decade they were leading. the only point were wetern aircrafts can be somehow ahead is regarding software.
    Regarding helicopters, the concepts are totally different, mangusta and Tiger are medium weght helicopter to provide some protection for self ground forces, I am not sure about mangusta but tiger is been built thinking mostly in having low operation costs and high operability due to very easy maintainment. Any of the Russian attack helis (kamov-50/53, mi 28 or even mi 24/35) is almost twice as heavy, more armoured and capable of carrying a larger payload. I think the russian advantages here are clear, while the europeans could be better when considering maintainment (anyway they are not cheap to adquire).

    in reply to: Future UK MPA/ASW aircraft #2290395
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    The only other European country with a gap in MPA provision that I can think of is Italy, & for budgetary reasons it shelved its plans (BTW, the Air Force wants P-8) in favour of getting basic MPAs in the form of four ATR-72s.

    France can keep its Atlantiques running for years, & has spare aircraft in store it can reactivate to extend the life of the fleet. Germany bought several ex-Dutch P-3Cs & last I heard was examining a life-extension programme.

    Athlantiques and p-3s can keep overhauling, but I think that at some point a substitution should be considered. On the other hand, you are totally right that budgetary constraints are quite limitant for Europeans Countries at the moment. Spain is struggling to overhaul its few p3s since ages. I think Italy has not shares in Airbus, so its logical that they go for ATRs or the already in the market options (with the AF allways wanting the bestin the form of P8s).

    on the other hand has jonesy pointed the role for such platforms is not that clear on the close future, and I think most (european) countries would choose the most economic options rather than the best ones (as italy seems to do).

    in reply to: Russian vs European aviation industry #2290399
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    no I am not. Pak-fa might change this as Nicky said.

    but looking at historical comparisons it tended to favor European designs for example:

    Mirage 3 and Draken over MiG-21
    Viggen and Mirage F.1 over Flogger
    Tornado ADV and Tornado IDS over MiG-23,27 and Su-24 (only inferior in range)
    Rafale and Eurofighter over MiG-29
    probably argueable AMX over Su-25 (different approaches to the same problem)
    C235 over An-26

    As for historical this is a quite crappy comparison.
    mirage 3, draken, lightning… all similar age but no clear edges
    same for the next comparison, (Viggen and Mirage F.1 over Flogger) only the ruskies had already Mig-25 which supposes a true edge over Viggens, F1s, and eve american fighters at the time.
    Tornados and M2000s faced mig23s, 27s Su-24s but also mig31s, 25s, 29s and su 27s (again the edge for the ruskies)
    now we have Rafale, Grippen and Typhoon facing old su27s and mig29s but also 35s (both migs and suckhoys) and i think its hard to see any advantage here. Close future should put PAK-FAs ahead the Europeans, but don´t worry, the ruskies are confident on their flankers and 29s (to face eurocanards) and thus would mostly deploy PAK-FAs far away from Europe in order to face F22 or the PLAAF fighters when needed.
    So at all, historic edge for russians, current situation draw, close future for russians.

    in reply to: Russian vs European aviation industry #2290402
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    Antonov is Ukranian by name only. funding, subsystems and final manufacturing all Russian. Infact Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhistan and to certain extent Armenia/Azerbaijan/Uzbekistan population can be included in total population available for manufacturing Aviation products.
    It is the opposite of Soviet System where Plants were distributed to republics. Now every thing worth manufacturing shifting to Russia.

    thanks, I had the idea Russia is behind Antonov but wasn´t sure to what extent it is so.

    in reply to: Russian vs European aviation industry #2290451
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    My 0,02 French Francs.

    fighters – France (PAK-FA may change things we’ll see).
    bombers – Russia
    transports – Russia
    missiles – Draw
    avionics & radar – France
    light helicopters – Europe
    asw helicopters – Europe
    utility helicopters – Draw
    attack helicopters – Russia
    trainers – Draw
    airliners – Europe
    SAM – Russia

    Nic

    Lol, French fighters are fairly good but I don´t think they would defeat typhoons, Flankers or even Grippens in AA (not saying they can´t but i just don’t see any advantage for Rafale), and their performance in AG would have to wait for the Damocles substitute to be close to advertised. Thus not being a better aircraft, and taking in consideration that there are not so many Rafales flying around, certainly less than Flankers, migs (mig29/35 keep in production unlike M2000), typhoons or grippens, claiming french domain on fighters field seems quite naive.
    Regarding Avionics, typhoon has an edge in things like the HMDS, and I think russians might have soon similar things (as i think they had eye tracking targeting systemes back in the 80s), so far i haven´t heard of something similar for Rafale.
    As for radars, AESAs coming for Typhoon and Flankers are expected to have impresive detection ranges, and current PESAs clearly outrange french systems (thus making this 50% increase more than necessary). I mean, it is good for Rafale to have a radar able to reach longer than its missiles, but if they get detected first most of this advantage won´t seem that impresive as the oponent would be better located by the time of firing. Particularly since su35s and typhoons have better cinematic characteristics. Spectra might be an edge, but its hard to tell since the fine characeristic of Spectra, DASS or any other similar systems in modern fighters are anything but public.

    in reply to: Russian vs European aviation industry #2290469
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    PAK-FA won´t come in numbers until 2020 or so (will see) and then it looks like a game changer, as for now most suckhoys aren´t all that brand new. But even when new su-35s get usual i don´t think the would supose a great advantage over typhoons in either AG or AA, the situation might be similar when facing Rafales although they might have a slight edge regarding maniobravility. I think both eurocanards would have advantages over su35s in netcentric working and sensors fusion, and I hesitate PAK-FA would show any adavantage on that either. In general the only really modern Russian concept is the PAKFA, whereas any other thing they have, hasn´t change much since first flights of the flankers family in the early 80’s. Flankers are impresive and keep (and will remain) being exceptional fighters particularly for a country as large as Russia but I don´t think that even the newest versions have any edge over Eurocanards (nor saying other way around).

    PS: regarding the russian edge on cargo aircraft, ¿are all we aware of the fact that Antonov is actually Ukranian? that is Mirya, An-124, An-70, 72, 74…

    Shouldn’t we have considered the russian advantages when regarding sending men to the outer space?

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