RE: Infantry Combat Vehicles

Guys,
Sorry i failed to mentioned the images posted do not represent my fav. IFV .They were meant to show some images.
MALAYSIAN ARMY SIBMAS 90MM AFSV
SPANISH ASCOD IFV
BMP 3
BTR 80A
AL FAHD APC
MALAYSIAN ARMY STORMER APC
M3 BRADLEY HITFIST
CV 90/40 IFV
PIRANHA III WITH DELCO TURRET
VAB NG 6X6 WITH DRAGAR TURRET

Isreali modified Centurion and T55/57 chasis into an APC -due to the lack of armour protection on their M113 Zelda.Nice concept-which offer a maximum protection for troops on the frontlines.
German Wiesel is not an APC nor an IFV -more of a recce armed vehicle .Last images posted by Hawk 75 also failed to fall into this category since it’s a tank killer/hunter-not even a tank due to its light armour.
Hawk 75,
The BMP look alike -with the new turret -is a new development?Very nice.
The small vehicles with Milan-Argentine/Brasil vehicles????
IMAGES:
MALAYSIAN MADE ADNAN AIFV based on the M113A3
SIBMAS 90MM AFSV

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RE: Infantry Combat Vehicles

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-07-02 AT 02:34 PM (GMT)]MAF operate 2 types of IFV:
DAEWOO MIFV
FNSS-DEFTECH ACV 300 ADNAN
2 types of APC:
RADPANZER CONDOR
ALVIS STORMER
All of this vehicles got firing port-BUT we do not exercise firing from within the vehicles.Reason?Simple-AIFV moves up to 65 kmh -and in cross country condition you wont be able to hit a damn thing.We practise dismount field of fire concept.
Indonesian Marines(they got BMP 2E)-STILL THEY DO NOT EXERCISE firing from inside the vehicles while it’s on the move.Why bother with the firing port in the first place anyway?????

RE: Infantry Combat Vehicles

Guys,
I’m no expert on armoured vehicles-still i have spend some times inside variuos types of them.For the record ,i served in the army before -thus IFV/APC has become part of my regular diet since.
Let’s start with the actual definition on IFV/AIFV/MICV and APC.

INFANTRY FIGHTING VEHICLE/ARMOURED INFANTRY FIGHTING VEHICLE or MECHANISED INFANTRY FIGHTING VEHICLE -are the same thing in concept.Mainly the must be a track vehicles,sufficiently armoured to withstand up to 14.5mm AP rounds(even more with add on armour),capable to provide sufficient firepower against light skin vehicles or APC plus the soldiers must be able to fire their weapons from the troops compartment.Hence the name infantry fighting vehicle.Most armies of the world exercise a combined arms concept which stipulated the formation of MBT + IFV as the main core for their mechanised brigades.Still there a small no IFV which use wheels instead of tracks eg -Mowag Piranha III with the DELCO turret -Canadian Army.

ARMOURED PERSONELL CARRIER -are the forefather of the current fighting vehicle.It could be in the from of a commercial truck chasis -with a armoured body and small turret.Since WW1 APC has shown the military planners its potential in transporting troops into battle without losing so many of them from enemy ambush or counter fire.Armour on APC normally is light -only could withstand 7.62mmAP rounds.
Most APC used wheels still a number of them do used track .And the most popular APC in the western world used tracks-M113 series.
Some upgraded M113 series has evolved into a AIFV cause they managed to met the criteria to be one after being upgraded.
In short there’s a very thin line between APC/IFV.

My fav.APC/IFV -based on my own experience and certain research.

M3 BRADLEY HITFIST,BMP 2E,BTR 90,CV 90,BIONIX 25MM,VAB NG 6X6,FUCHS,M113A3 AIFV.
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RE: Australia’s refugee problem

Wombat,
Let me share with you some of the similar problems that we facing here in Malaysia.
During the 70-80s Malaysia have to deal with a large no of boat people from Indochina fleeing their country for various reason.Most of them are not eligible to be classified as refugee cause they simply looking for a better job /money.The influx of such groups were to big and they were seen as a possible threat to our national security.So the govt decided to opened up a refugee centre -on a island (Bidong Island)far from the mainland.Here these people were fed and given the basic shelter and medical attention needed.Malaysian spend millions of Ringgit to supports these people before they could be to a third country(US.EURO,AUS etc).
Security were tight -a specialised boat people batt. were formed and based in the island in order to prevent them from rioting/running away.Do we accept them as our permanent resident?No.
Recently (the last 15 years)the influx of Indonesian,Bangladeshi and other national into Malaysia -became too great to handle.Some of these illegal immigrants posed a threat to our society and security .So since the last 36 months-Malaysian govt has decided to send these guys home by the shiploads.App.50,000 of these guys already /on the way back to their own countries.Police do not gave face to these illegal immigrants (eventhough most of them were a fellow muslim Indonesian)-they simply do not respect the rules and custom of the local people(some of them do anyway).We only consider their applications for a PR status after certain criteria were met.Among others no criminal records/got a permanent job/have not leave Malaysia since the last 10 years etc.
So should Aussie accept the illegal immigrants as your next door neighbours?I don’t think so.
The ball is in your court.

RE: Just so you know that you haven’t scared me off…

Hee…heee…heeee…:D

RE: Pets

Always loved cats all my life.Used to have app.10 cats since childhood-at the moment got a pair bought from SPCA ,named OTTO (boys in Japs) and ONNA(girl in Japs).
Being a muslim we are forbidden to have a dog -still Islam do permit dogs handling in certain cases.During my army years -used to personally know a retriever (tracker dog)named Sandy.Best tracker in the unit.