It would not be in China interest to export J-10 with AL-31. it will complete loss of confidence for exports to other countries. $164m for 36 fighter engines.

No dude, actually the words ” That deal was approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin personally. ” betrayed your true purpose of ranting once more.

The actual and grosser picture was portrayed in other report titled China Lays Down Russian Armscarried by the same newspaper. It’s openly known Russians now start to complain to their Chinese counterparts about the more dramatically trade deficit, shrinking share of their arm export to Chinese and Chinese are listening because apparently Chinese now are not hurry to integrate the WS-10A engine into J-10, the news from AVIC1’s website confirmed CAC is working on the J-10’s improving version and by the past April, CAC has finished al the blueprints. Usually we will see the prototype next year that’s 2008 and only then we could see the WS-10A powered J-10 new version being formally introduced. However, based on your report, the PAF is going to get 36 J-10 by next year end, of course, it couldn’t being powered by WS-10A.

WS-10A is finished Design certification in 2005 and it’s in the so called ” small advanced” usage stage. Taking WS-9 as the example, it obtained the design certificate in 2002 but only passed the “ small, advance usage” stage in 2006.Probably some WS-10A engines have already being integrated into J-10 in a “small, advanced” user base for field trials, but no way, China is going to introduce a powerplant still in “small, advanced” usage base to customer. It’s noting to do with your confidence or not. If China doesn’t have confidence, Russia would haven’t made complaint for Chinese not importing enough stuffs from them as promised.

JF-17 in premier color

Y-8 AEW & C internal?

The funniest part will be when actual war between India and Pakistan should start. Then Indians make one call and next days Pakistanis get a fax message from Moscow.. RD-93 spares STOP. RD-93 parts STOP. RD-93 support STOP.

You think China ruled by Child? Pakistan ruled by Child and Russian ruled by Child or such a comment is childish enough to be come out from a Child? :diablo:

Sidenote: SD-10’s depute designer Liang is also PL-9C’s designer as mentioned by Cabbageman

1st of all, do we even classify the MICA as a pure medium range AAM? At least its official user doesn’t think so, it’s a short to medium range AAM which also takes into account the need for dog fighting. A more draggy design that consuming propellant faster than AIM-120/PL-12, though there won’t have more words to descript the missile, but the airframe of the missiles do tell a lot. PL-12 less control surface & area, optimized for speed than maneuverability. In a BVR battle, 2 engaging fighters head on 30-40 kms apart can roughly be treated as dots, the distance is a straight line where the speed & range of the AAM is more dominated than maneuverability. In MICA & PL-12, you vote which one?

The advantage of PL-12 is it allows the pilot to shoot it 40kms away yet still keeps confident that his opponent fighter pilot armed with MICA won’t do the same or even do so it’s a not a big concern, however, back the MICA platform, if the pilot senses a PL-12 on the way to him, does he need to beam away or still keep course in order to shoot his MICA?! A 40kms no doubt is not a optimized range for MICA to engage a highly maneuverable fighter.

The difference is obvious, isn’t it?

2nd , Back to the brand name, if French stuff is just better than Chinese’s then why the PAF should replace the French made Mirage F3 with Chinese made JF-17? Because time can do so much. A MICA designed 10 years earlier than PL-12 which just put into manufacturing 2 years ago of course has a lot of legacy electronic than PL-12. it’s direct linked to signal processing. 10 years measured in electronic era terms can be generations apart. The same reason that prompt Yanks to sell their C5 electronic upgraded AIM-120 C7 to Taiwan. Now you have a bigger seeker antenna in diameter and you have better electronics to do signal processing. I hardly can draw the same conclusion.

Yes, even French themselves are in recognition of Chinese ability in the chip design that just recently, the biggest French Chip maker has licensed Chinese processor design to manufacture CPU:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1101840&postcount=442

It’s not contradict to the general belief that French stuff is still better than Chinese, simply because MICA is not representing the latest French ability in medium range AAM where Meteor should hold the place.

yeah make that times two please:)

Very nice and sleek looking aircraft.

I like it very much, especially the two seater – cool, then again I always like the two seaters more.

Ok, here we got another one 😎

The lower picture suggests that the entire panel is monolithic, and that there is only one main array, not like the multiarray panel used in the MPQ-53. That rules out having illuminators underneath those panel.

I have replied to your post in the PLAN Thread