That’s because you can only find out what are marketing hypes and what are the true capabilities when you actually operated them for a while and compare it against a proven system like Foxtrot.
Interesting to know that, you mean somebody being cheated?
The unquesionable fact is that, India’s Navy still favor Foxtrot.
Although they have all the options to keep buying more Kilos (which is supposed to be more advanced), they have chosen to hang on to the Foxtrot and wait for the more advanced western subs. IN’s act speaks volume for the superiority of Foxtrot.
I won’t say too much, do you consider the cost/price factor?
If so-called superiority reigns, why did IN at first place buy the Kilo SSK to add another not so superior item into their logistics?
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I’m just surprised to see China developing the Varyag for an aircraft carrier of her own considering the pro sub faction in control of the PLAN today. Maybe there are new leadership changes or so.
IMO, pro sub faction still in domination simply because it’s the best and most economic way to deter mighty CVGs. However, PLAN now realizes in the sea, there are not all the time only the CVGs they have to face. Plenty of chances for PLAN to encounter 2nd tie Navy forces in east China sea or even South China sea. Where and on which occasion, the presence of a big A/C carrier is decisive.
Heard saying that Mr Chi Mak was the US branch chief of the influential Chinese language Phoenix TV which counts Mr Murdock‘s News Corp as a substantial share holder.
Do you think somebody’s top secret house like public washroom? Just enter and get whatever he wants?
From W88 to PAC/F16/AH64, now, SSN /Aegis. too many repeats, anyone will be used to such kind of “story”.
No matter how if there’s an achievement in China’s defense industry, it must be a leak from American top secret house.
What a simple mathematics.
Come on, the model itself is Not real thing as well, the purpose of a model is for people to illustrate something. Yeap, to PS sth on a model is also for illustrate something better.
When the model of the 054A as it called at that time 1st appeared, it don’t have the Anti-submarine missile mounted. However, new development surfaced recently suggests the 054 grade FFg may also given high requirement of anti-submarine mission. It will have new grade anti-submarine missile.
You do see there’s VLS on the model of 054, however, could you specify which précised system will that VLS be? There’s suggestion it could be the HHQ-16, believe it or not, soon it will know, because more and more news will be surfaced around it. However, you also could wait the official announcement from PLA only if you want to be the last one to know it
Continuing previous thread, some news on Chinese shipborne SAM’s
Kanwa Defense Reviews’s latest report confirms the new HHQ16 SAM will install on the 3rd and onwards type054 FFG( 054A) .
According to Kanwa , the speculated range of HHQ16 is around 20 km, the it is ” hot launched” VLS missile, probably guided by phased array Radar. The HHQ16 missile system is developed by Chinese but the appearance looks like Russian’s Shtil-1
The construction of 054 FFG apparently delayed after only finished 2 ( No 525 & 526) because of the prolonged final certification job of the HHQ16. With the HHQ16 finally ready to enter service. The next round of mass construction of Type 054FFG may soon start.
PLAN’s early constructed 051/052/053/054 DDG/FFG with the HHQ7 SAM may be upgraded to the HHQ16 VLS Sam system

051C DDG115 😎
Here’s another picture:
H6H Bomber and YJ63 LACM 😎
Any guesses what might be happening to this Older JW-I??
Just to replace the HHQ61 to HHQ7 SAM
That would be Shtil VLS, not HHQ-16. Note the Front Dome illuminators in the model.
But don’t forget 1 thing, many Russian Style Radar also can guide Chinese Missile, Type052B DDG is such a good example.
The HQ-16 is said to be able to share the same launcher with Shtil. How exactly the relation between the HQ-16 and Shtil-1 is still unclear. What we have known is the HQ-17 is chinese Version of Russian Tor-M1 and HQ-9 is indigenized S300.
One thing quite sure is from next building of new FFG in Chinese shipyards onwards, it will no longer see the disappointing HHQ-7 on the ships. the new VLS hot launch? SAM will replace the HHQ7.
Asking when the new FFG will be built? There’s still no information yet. We have to wait fresh photos appearing on the net to see when.Just like what happened to 052B/052C and 051C. 🙂
Come on, the model itself is Not real thing as well, the purpose of a model is for people to illustrate something. Yeap, to PS sth on a model is also for illustrate something better.
When the model of the 054A as it called at that time 1st appeared, it don’t have the Anti-submarine missile mounted. However, new development surfaced recently suggests the 054 grade FFg may also given high requirement of anti-submarine mission. It will have new grade anti-submarine missile.
You do see there’s VLS on the model of 054, however, could you specify which précised system will that VLS be? There’s suggestion it could be the HHQ-16, believe it or not, soon it will know, because more and more news will be surfaced around it. However, you also could wait the official announcement from PLA only if you want to be the last one to know it
The exported version of Chinese FFG currently is only based on PLAN’s 053 FFG rather than the latest 054 model
From the track record: Pakistan Navy’s future F22 frigate is based on PLAN’s 053H3 FFG and Thailand’s 2 OPVs ordered from China are also based on type 053H3 FFG.
However, the just surfaced news of the HHQ16 from china’s various website also suggests the 053H4 FFG may install the HHQ16 as well.
PLA’s new 054B FFG?
Seems a new grade VLS SAM 1st appeared here: HHQ16 is long time rumored to be a replacement for HHQ7 SAM currently installed on 054 FFG.
HHQ16 could be a Chinese counterpart of Russian SA-N-12 but a VLS version.
In a brief:
SAM: HHQ16 6 x 8
Anti-sub Missile: AS176? 1 x 8
ASM: YJ83 2 x 4
CIWS: type730 1 x 2
It’s naked~ 😀
The active radar of the 170 DDG