can smell anything fresh here from this new big pic ?
How about the undercarriage?
Zimbabwe Takes Delivery of Six Chinese-Made Trainer Jets
By AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE, HARARE
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=785847&C=asiapac
President Robert Mugabe on April 13 thanked China for helping Zimbabwe during its ?time of need? after six trainer jets were delivered to the cash-strapped country, state media reported.
The six Karakorum 8 (K-8) jets at Thornhill base, some 250 kilometers (200 miles) west of Harare, will be used to train air force pilots, the Herald reported.
?The introduction of the K-8 aircraft should therefore enhance the air force of Zimbabwe?s ability to fulfill its constitutional roles of defending the air space and the territorial integrity of the republic of Zimbabwe,? Mugabe was quoted by the New Ziana news agency as saying.
?In peace time, the trainer aircraft should enable air force personnel to perfect their skills through more systematic training and preparation for the war,? he said.
Mugabe described the purchase of the jets as a product of the country?s ?successful? ?Look East? policy, after the European Union imposed an arms embargo on Zimbabwe and a travel ban on the president and his close associates.
?The country?s Look East policy, which has seen Zimbabwe enjoy cordial relations with such south East Asian countries and Far East countries as the People?s Republic of China, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, India and Pakistan, has given birth to several successful joint agreements the various countries, one of which culminated in the supply of the K-8 aircraft,? Mugabe was quoted as saying.
A special parliamentary committee heard last June that the defense ministry had bought 12 jets and 100 military vehicles from China.
The cost of the six jets has not been disclosed, but the opposition last year estimated the deal of the 12 jets and buses at approximately $200 million.
Zimbabwe?s air force has, since 1980, used mostly British Aerospace Hawk fighter jets, but senior air force official Nisbert Chasakara said the fleet was grounded due to a lack of spare parts resulting from the arms embargo imposed by Britain.
Zimbabwe?s arsenal was put to heavy use in the Democratic Republic of Congo where Mugabe deployed more than 10,000 troops to shore up government forces of Laurent Kabila and later his son Joseph, from 1998 to 2002.
Officially, only Mingpaodaily in Hongkong has reported this accident:
http://www.mingpaonews.com/20050402/cca1r.htm
It says the 2 crashed Su27 belong to the Cangzhou training base near Beijing, but can’t rule out the possiblity of these 2 fighters belong to 19th air Division.
1 thing to be noted is the PLAAF does increase their intensity of training more under the night and bad weather conditions and pays less attention to the risk of lose the planes
Oh~No!
Is this 1 of the twin Su27 crashed in Shangdong, China several days ago 🙁 ?
WS10 installed in China made Su27
So precisely it now can be called J11:

i was wondering why we already have pic of the yuan floating about but none of the the 093 and the 094 ???
Is the PLAN intentionally leaking info of the yuan and consider the SSNs more confedential????
Nope!! Hallo, it’s wildly believed that the shipyard building the PLAN SSN is actually caved in a mountain area. don’t like most other shipyards elsewhere in China, this HULUDAO shipyard’s only product is nothing but the nuclear submarine. and totally no-accessible to outsider. Once a resident lives near this shipyard said in a chinese BBS site that for all the years, he only got 1 chance to allow using the road lead to the said shipyard area, and to the end, there’s only a wall blocking out and in the wall, he only could peer vast and desert land. No way he could imagine somewhere under the deadly land produces such deadly weapon: just imagine 1 094 SSBN can shower the US with 100 over nuclear warheads!!!
On the other hand, all other shipyards producing the SSK usually earn mainly from their commercial products. and their workshop is open and much more accessible to the outsiders. Die-hard fans like to watch from all the angles which are difficult for the authority to control, and naturally you could obtain such info from the big WWW.
Of course, for a strong power like US, they got plenty of means to detect the progress of the Chinese SSN and is well informed. However, to protect their own intelligence, again, you wouldn’t see any “free” source of these information available in an open source.
The report just out… Of course, not full version quoted
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China Now Test-Flying Homemade AWACS
Radar Planes Intended For Use in Taiwan Strait
By Edward Cody
Washington Post, Nov. 13, 2004; Page A19
The Chinese military, undeterred by a U.S. veto that blocked the purchase of Israeli planes, has developed its own radar surveillance aircraft and is test-flying the first models for early deployment in the Taiwan Strait, according to military specialists.
The Chinese airborne warning and control system, or AWACS, uses domestically produced advanced radar mounted on a Russian-made Il-76 transport aircraft. Analysts said the AWACS marks an important step in the government’s campaign to develop the modern military necessary to back up its threat to reunite Taiwan with the mainland by force if necessary.
Electronic weaponry — in this case, equipment to monitor the skies and control warplanes over a wide battlefield — has been a major focus of extensive military improvements in recent years. In particular, AWACS has long been seen by the military as an indispensable tool for air superiority over the 100-mile strait separating Taiwan from the mainland.
“You’ve got to have those AWACS up there or you’re not going anywhere,” said a foreign military attache in Beijing describing China’s need for such a system in the event of conflict with Taiwan.
Chinese military technicians have been struggling to acquire AWACS-type equipment since the United States pressured Israel in 2000 to back out of a $1 billion agreement to sell China four of its Phalcon phased-array radar systems. The systems also would have used Il-76 aircraft as a platform.
The main U.S. concern in blocking the sale was that China would gain a military advantage over Taiwan. Moreover, under the 1979 Taiwan Relations Act, the U.S. government has pledged to help Taiwan defend itself against any Chinese attack, meaning U.S. forces could become involved should fighting erupt.
For the same reasons, People’s Liberation Army (PLA) air force leaders were determined to acquire such a plane. “After the 2000 Israeli fiasco, the PLA made it a matter of high pride to prove to the Americans they would not be denied AWACS,” said Richard D. Fisher Jr., a U.S.-based specialist on the Chinese military.
At first, China turned to Russia, its traditional source of military equipment. The Beijing government concluded a deal to buy four Beriev A-50 Mainstay radar planes, which are roughly the Russian equivalent of the U.S. Air Force’s E-3 Sentry AWACS. The purchase was believed to be the first phase of an agreement for up to eight of the Russian aircraft.
At the same time, however, Chinese scientists were at work on their own radar equipment. It is not known whether any of the Russian craft were ever delivered, which would have provided a look at the technology, or whether the technicians obtained help from Israeli or Russian counterparts. In any case, the Chinese AWACS that has begun test flights bears a strong resemblance to the A-50, which also uses the Il-76.
The AWACS could be operational within one or two years assuming the tests are successful, the specialists said. It was not known how many are planned for production, but Fisher noted eight would allow for a 24-hour patrol at both ends of the Taiwan Strait.
The Defense Ministry, which treats most military subjects as secret, did not reply to a request for information on the AWACS project.
Whatever the ultimate production schedule, AWACS development fits into a steady growth in the amount and sophistication of armaments on both sides of the strait, making a confrontation between China and Taiwan potentially one of the world’s most dangerous.
The leadership has steadily increased military budgets in recent years and sought to reform the manpower-heavy but technology-short PLA as swiftly as possible. According to U.S. and Taiwanese officials, the government has deployed nearly 600 short-range ballistic missiles in southern China aimed at targets in Taiwan. The number grows by about 75 a year, they say.
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TO me, the plane in above pictures just look like French Rafale fighter jets. Are they really some possible furture version of further developed J10?
There are just alot of sayings…
Some say Taiwanese passed the info to Japs for early alert, and some say the unfortunate Sub was in Mech-trouble at the moment, and now even suggested that’s actually some sort of ” show off” by the Chinese.
So you judge yourself, Neverthless you zeal guys won’t be disappointed in seeing such “affairs” occuring more n more often in the coming years. You know the further the Chinese navy can go into, the more “friction” will happen in touch with Japenses interests.
J10 twin seat
There’s another new picture of the twin-seat J10 appearing on the Military.China.com.
Much clearer this time.