So, to sum things up Bharatheeyan:
Ericsson, one of the worlds largest radar & telecom systems company, is lying about their 360 deg cover.
Flight, one of the worlds most respected aerospace newspapers , is also lying or are being fooled by Ericssons claim of new Erieyes having 360 deg cover.
Oh dear.
You’re showing sources that are 11 years old. Newer sources claims 360 deg cover and technology (and certainly electronics) tends to improve over time. Check your sources and try google, this is what I came up with within less than 2 minutes:
Air Force Technology (Embraer 145)
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/emb/
Air Force Technology (Saab 340B)
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/s100b_argus/
Wikipedia (Taken for what it’s worth)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erieye_radar
By that, you mean, stop being Jews.
Or perhaps he mean that they should:
a) stop flying over Beirut night-time and break the sound barrier so that each and every civilian in Beirut wakes up
b) stop hitting civilian infrastructure such as power stations in Beirut which only effects the civilian (who have to throw away all their food in the fridge)
c) stop harassing civilian Lebanese and Palestines who have to cross the israelin border in order to reach their works (which are situated in occupated areas)
Just my two cents.
Sounds like a realiable source you got there. Really.
Buzzing a foreign frigate with a fighter jet? I can only see that the Israelis did what they did because:
a) They need to update their threat library (radar frequencies, prf, power etc) to prepare for an eventual future clash with UN forces. To get this data you can fly an attack profile against the objective triggering them to turn on search and track radars, laser range finders etc.
or
b) There’s a culture within IDF-AF which encourages such (dangerous) behaviour.
It’s a game with very high stakes. Especially when the german frigate is under UN flag. My advice to the german commander would be to advise the israelis that the next time they try simulating an attack against them they will open fire. Having said that, it’s Israels call to show the world if they want war against UN or not.
regards,
Cliff
Just a couple of short comments:
– C-17 price is 2 billion SEK (~$300 million) each according to Svenska Dagbladet amongst other news papers. As a sidenote the Swedish budget for armed forces is 37 billion SEK per year out of which half is used to acquire new technology.
– Swedish Hercs are used intensively abroad, not only by the armed forces but also by civilian aid organizations. Currently there are swedish troops in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Kongo and Lebanon amongst others. Hence the need for 8 Hercs.
– According to Svenska Dagbladet amongst other newspapers, the armed forces pays about 400 million SEK per year for hiring foreign airlift. Thats about $60 million per year.
regards,
Cliff
And of course you know it all :rolleyes:
No, I just happen to have seen what doesn’t work*.
You don’t make people love you by bombing their roads, power stations, airports, tv relay stations and other means of communications. As on the other side, you don’t do it by blowing up innocent people with suicide bombers or Katusha rockets either.
What I do think could lead towards peace in that conflict is for Israel to have tight and secured borders while helping Lebanon and Palestine rebuilding their countries. And by secured borders I don’t mean building a Berlin wall through prosperous parts of occupied territory. They really need to let go of these areas.
Unfortunately, the whole conflict is fired up by jewish extremist settlements and on the other side Syria supported Hizbollah. Therefore, you will have to do everything you can to surpress support of these organizations. And as a sidenote, the pressure should be applied towards Syrian government who supports many of these terrorist actions – not the Lebanese people. Just my two cents though.
Cliff
* I have served as a platoon commander in a european armed force, stationed in Beirut.
And of course you know it all :rolleyes:
No, I just happen to have seen what doesn’t work*.
You don’t make people love you by bombing their roads, power stations, airports, tv relay stations and other means of communications. As on the other side, you don’t do it by blowing up innocent people with suicide bombers or Katusha rockets either.
What I do think could lead towards peace in that conflict is for Israel to have tight and secured borders while helping Lebanon and Palestine rebuilding their countries. And by secured borders I don’t mean building a Berlin wall through prosperous parts of occupied territory. They really need to let go of these areas.
Unfortunately, the whole conflict is fired up by jewish extremist settlements and on the other side Syria supported Hizbollah. Therefore, you will have to do everything you can to surpress support of these organizations. And as a sidenote, the pressure should be applied towards Syrian government who supports many of these terrorist actions – not the Lebanese people. Just my two cents though.
Cliff
* I have served as a platoon commander in a european armed force, stationed in Beirut.
There is no doubt that Israel can respond to Hizbollahs actions. They can, and they’re often eager to do so. Nevertheless it’s plain stupidity.
Hizbollah wants confrontation with Israel – fact is, they want to get rid of the whole state of Israel. So they take a couple of soldiers as prisoners and Israel makes a speedy response. The fact that Israel bombs a civilian airport which happens to be the only way out of Lebanon at the moment is just a minor problem. Same goes for those power stations they use to take out during such operations making parts of Beirut pitch dark and the average lebanese loosing all his frozen food etc. Or the usual sonic booms that occurs over Beirut, causing the whole Beirut to wake up each night for days or even weeks.
So what Israel does is that it is punishing the whole country of Lebanon because of Hizbollah actions. And if you expect the lebanese to worship Israel for this you’re dead wrong. They get even more mad at israelis making Hizbollah recruitment a piece of cake.
There is no doubt that Israel can respond to Hizbollahs actions. They can, and they’re often eager to do so. Nevertheless it’s plain stupidity.
Hizbollah wants confrontation with Israel – fact is, they want to get rid of the whole state of Israel. So they take a couple of soldiers as prisoners and Israel makes a speedy response. The fact that Israel bombs a civilian airport which happens to be the only way out of Lebanon at the moment is just a minor problem. Same goes for those power stations they use to take out during such operations making parts of Beirut pitch dark and the average lebanese loosing all his frozen food etc. Or the usual sonic booms that occurs over Beirut, causing the whole Beirut to wake up each night for days or even weeks.
So what Israel does is that it is punishing the whole country of Lebanon because of Hizbollah actions. And if you expect the lebanese to worship Israel for this you’re dead wrong. They get even more mad at israelis making Hizbollah recruitment a piece of cake.
On another note, Ryanair are pulling quite a few services away from Sweden due to high tax.
Sorry mate but that’s just plain bs from Ryan Air’s side.
Swedish government has proposed a tax on flying (about 10€ per flight within Europe) which should be compared to the one currently used on trains and buses which is about 10€ on a similar trip. The word here is proposed. The proposal includes lower taxes on routes to Gotland (an island in the Baltic Sea) and minor airports in the northern regions which EU probably won’t allow. So the result may very much be no tax at all, but the decision isn’t to be taken until september. And most likely EU will take another 2 months before decision.
So what Ryan Air really is doing is loosing money on small routes such as Vasteras-Stansted and Gothenburg-Glasgow. The proposed tax made a perfect alibi for pulling out from these routes.
(And as a sidenote; I don’t like the tax. The big problems will occur on airports such as Sturup (Malmo, Sweden) where traffic will move to Kastrup (Copenhagen, Denmark).)
That’s the best you can do? You’d have been better off just keeping your mouth shut. I guess the saying is true in your case “‘Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.”
Or why not trying to answer his question instead?
Basically, what he is saying is how come such an old plane as Viggen showed better attrition rates* than F-16?
* The Viggen, which is a fighter having served between 1971 to 2005, had 47 writeoffs out of 325 fighters. 47/325 = 14.4%
It isn’t that hard to understand why a russian chopper would be a no-show in Sweden. Who has been the main threat against Sweden during the recent 50 years or so?
And by the way, with todays AAM I think choppers are a thing of the past. Think Afghanistan, think Stingers.
Sorry mate, my comment was not meant that way!
Just wanted to refer to the old discussions thread because it could be fun to see what this forums members thought about the incident before having the report on hand!
regards,
Cliff
There was a thread about this running in march 2005:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=39384&page=1&pp=30